Fate grand order most prolific craft essences to chartags

previous: topic #19423

as it's common practice now in this thread I am going to move costumes into a subchartag.

from the fate/grand order wiki, the most popular

• heroic spirit traveling outfit
• heroic spirit festival outfit ~
• heroic spirit formal dress
• royal icing (single character)
• emerald float (two characters)
• memories at trifas (single character)

starting from festival outfit I am going for a safe bet mass update of solo pictures to trim the workload of the manual gardening afterwards

after testing my luck with a few searches, the best bet for the mass update for each character is going to be along the likes of

shuten_douji_(fate) heroic_spirit_festival_outfit chartags:1

in contrast with using shuten_douji_(fate) heroic_spirit_festival_outfit solo -cosplay which holds 'sex with non-descript' as a false negative and character doll as a false positive (post #3851530)

Nevertheless I'll have to manually verify everything after submitting the mass update form.

Edit: mm I'm starting to think this is only worth it for the most prolific designs rather than creating 25 other single post chartags, Ideas?

EDIT 2:

TODO:
imply all these tags to the main one
move emerald_float into lavinia_whateley_(emerald_float)_(fate) or abigail_williams_(emerald_float)_(fate), and update the wiki
nuke heroic spirit formal dress, update the wikis for each character with the new skin

BUR #7807 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

adding chartag_(festival_outfit) to heroic spirit festival outfit single character unambiguous posts and removing heroic spirit festival outfit from it

Some of these cases will run into the same problem brought up in topic #19438.

A character tag like jeanne_d'arc_(alter)_(festival_outfit)_(fate) under the current model would only be implicated to the general catch-all tag jeanne_d'arc_(fate) rather than to the character the costume actually belong to (which is jeanne d'arc (alter) (fate)).

I really think the other situation should be solved before this is handled. We need to imply the costumes to the actual characters they represent, not just the overarching catch-all so that when someone searches for jeanne d'arc (alter) (fate) they get all her costumes and variants, not just the OG design.

Admiral_Pectoral said:

Some of these cases will run into the same problem brought up in topic #19438.

A character tag like jeanne_d'arc_(alter)_(festival_outfit)_(fate) under the current model would only be implicated to the general catch-all tag jeanne_d'arc_(fate) rather than to the character the costume actually belong to (which is jeanne d'arc (alter) (fate)).

I really think the other situation should be solved before this is handled. We need to imply the costumes to the actual characters they represent, not just the overarching catch-all so that when someone searches for jeanne d'arc (alter) (fate) they get all her costumes and variants, not just the OG design.

Other tags affected by this would be mysterious_heroine_xx_(festival_outfit)_(fate), saber_lily_(festival_outfit) and scathach_skadi_(festival_outfit)_(fate) if I didn't miss any in the list.

Otherwise this is another good step toward changing the costume gentags into chartags (these super general tags that apply to several characters especially should be done away with); also regarding the edit in the OP, if we do it for some, then we should definitely do it for all imo, even the characters with only 1 post.

My only question is how are we going to treat such a move with both Fujimaru Ritsukas and their Mystic Code/Craft Essence outfits (Chaldea Uniform, Chaldea Combat Uniform, Brilliant Summer, The Three Great Heroes, etc.)? I just wonder due to the mess involving *_(fate)_(all) tags, and that 'Fujimaru Ritsuka' is divided between fujimaru ritsuka (male) and fujimaru ritsuka (female). This could potentially create a brand new mess where, say we use Chaldea Uniform as an example, that would then have to be broken down into tags of their own, such as:

fujimaru ritsuka (male) (chaldea uniform)
fujimaru ritsuka (female) (chaldea uniform)

Or reverse the qualifiers:

fujimaru ritsuka (chaldea uniform) (male)
fujimaru ritsuka (chaldea uniform) (female)

Or put everything into a single qualifier:

fujimaru ritsuka (male chaldea uniform)
fujimaru ritsuka (female chaldea uniform)

I don't think fujimaru ritsuka (chaldea uniform male) and fujimaru ritsuka (chaldea uniform female) sound good on paper, so I left them out. What would the naming nomenclature be when we have generic protagonists split into genders that each get their own costumes like this?

I doubt the solution will be so cut and dry when there is a fundamental difference between Mystic Codes and Craft Essence costumes too. At least with Mystic Codes, there are guaranteed to be designs for both genders. With Craft Essences, although it rarely happens, it's just one of the genders being portrayed, like Female Ritsuka for The Three Great Heroes and Summer Anniversary (post #4699835). I'm not sure if there are any CEs with just Male Ritsuka present, since he tends to accompany Female Ritsuka.

I'd imagine the first option. There's no real reason to treat them any more exceptionally than other characters outside of the fact that they have the same name. I'd just handle it as if they are two different characters who happen to share a name, so fujimaru_ritsuka_(gender)_(outfit) treats them the exact same way as any other character_(outfit), I guess.

Astolfo said:

I'd imagine the first option. There's no real reason to treat them any more exceptionally than other characters outside of the fact that they have the same name. I'd just handle it as if they are two different characters who happen to share a name, so fujimaru_ritsuka_(gender)_(outfit) treats them the exact same way as any other character_(outfit), I guess.

I was just worried about having too many qualifiers like what happened with *_(fate)_(all), but I'm ambivalent on the subject anyway. As long as a standard is defined, I'll be happy to follow along with it.

The bulk update request #7807 (forum #199554) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #7807 (forum #199554) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #7807 (forum #199554) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #7807 (forum #199554) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

Even DanbooruBot refuses to deal with Fate unless whipped repeatedly.

nonamethanks said:

Even DanbooruBot refuses to deal with Fate unless whipped repeatedly.

Now just do the same for heroic spirit traveling outfit, heroic spirit formal dress, under the same sky, lostroom outfit (fate), CEs, and Mystic Codes for both of Ritsuka’s genders. </sarcasm>

Seriously. I don’t even want to imagine what we’d do if Ascension level designs were separated into their own chartags.

Better than having a single gentag with everything thrown inside.

BUR #8192 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

Heroic spirit traveling outfit

Let's get this over with

BUR #8193 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

heroic spirit formal dress

I'll need some time to test out all the queries to single out unexpected results like the last time

BUR #8194 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update royal_icing solo cosplay -> char:artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(royal_icing)_(fate) artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(royal_icing)_(fate)_(cosplay) solo cosplay
mass update royal_icing artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter) -> char:artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)_(royal_icing)_(fate) artoria_pendragon_(lancer_alter)

royal icing

unique costume for artoria

BUR #8195 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update abigail_williams_(fate) chartags:1 emerald_float -> char:abigail_williams_(emerald_float)_(fate) abigail_williams_(fate)
mass update lavinia_whateley_(fate) chartags:1 emerald_float -> char:lavinia_whateley_(emerald_float)_(fate) lavinia_whateley_(fate)

emerald float

BUR #8196 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

mass update memories_at_trifas solo cosplay -> char:astolfo_(memories_at_trifas)_(fate) astolfo_(memories_at_trifas)_(fate)_(cosplay) solo cosplay
mass update memories_at_trifas astolfo_(fate) -> char:astolfo_(memories_at_trifas)_(fate) astolfo_(fate)

memories_at_trifas

Issues I can see after quickly skimming through the BURs:

In BUR 8193:
Line "Jeanne_d'Arc_(fate) chartags:1 heroic_spirit_formal_dress" won't work. Jeanne_d'Arc_(fate) is the catch-all tag for Jeanne, so searching that + chartags:1 will not have results, you're looking for jeanne_d'arc_(fate/apocrypha) and you'll need chartags:2.

Same thing for "Mordred_(fate) chartags:1 heroic_spirit_formal_dress" you're looking for mordred_(fate/apocrypha)

"Medusa_(Lancer)_(fate) chartags:1 heroic_spirit_formal_dress" This won't have results because Medusa_(Lancer)_(Fate) implicates Medusa_(fate).
Same for both the Artoria Lancer lines and for the Cu Alter line.

There are probably some other lines I've missed that run into the same issue because of catch-all tags and implications, like Mysterious Heroine X Alter and so on.

In BUR 8192:
"Mash_Kyrieligh chartags:1 heroic_spirit_traveling_outfit -> Mash_Kyrieligh char:Mash_Kyrieligh" the name is mispelt and I think the line is incomplete.
As well as "Nero_Claudius_(fate) chartags:1 heroic_spirit_traveling_outfit" same problem as Jeanne and Mordred you're looking for nero_claudius_(fate/extra).