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don't think the 'instant' is necessary on most of those; just 'pack noodles', 'cup noodles' (despite also being a brand) or 'ramen pack', 'cup ramen', 'noodle cop' is fine
however might be beneficial to make instant noodle block match. this might be the best name, but the first time I thought it I thought it was a meme or fighting technique like instant loss + cicada block (meme).
maybe dried noodle block, dried pack noodles, pack noodle block, ramen noodle block. dunno how useful distinction is
LQ said:
don't think the 'instant' is necessary on most of those; just 'pack noodles', 'cup noodles' (despite also being a brand) or 'ramen pack', 'cup ramen', 'noodle cop' is fine
I think it's necessary, because, in contrast to the non-instant noodle tags (which focus on the noodles present), the instant noodle tags end up covering a different set of contexts with its focus on the products present in the art. For example, take post #6847619, depicting someone planning on eating instant yakisoba but messing up - instant soba is tagged, but there is no actual yakisoba present, only a sauce sachet (something not unique to instant yakisoba) and the [cup] container. If there was no instant soba tag on this post, just the cup noodles tag, how would you be able to search for this post in a sea of cup ramen, cup udon and non-yakisoba cup soba products? Similarly, you have post #6439606, which shows an instant yakisoba container after it has been eaten, so no yakisoba tag ala post #37421.
Instant udon and instant soba both act as aids in being able to search for more specific instant noodle things, just as you'd see for ramen, udon and soba for the noodles tag (and before you ask, instant ramen didn't get the same treatment due to cup_ramen being called such, so it got used more for pack noodles and instant noodle blocks when those weren't tags yet, and any other non-cup appropriate context, ala post #4292187 or post #1762050 - this BUR could be one step in allowing instant ramen to not be marginalized tag-wise).
As for cup_ramen and pack_noodles being renamed to include instant in their names, instant cup noodles is necessary to disambiguate further with Nissin Cup Noodle (cup noodles in turn can become a disambiguation wiki), and for consistency's sake doing the same with instant pack noodles just makes sense.
however might be beneficial to make instant noodle block match. this might be the best name, but the first time I thought it I thought it was a meme or fighting technique like instant loss + cicada block (meme).
maybe dried noodle block, dried pack noodles, pack noodle block, ramen noodle block. dunno how useful distinction is
The distinction is unnecessary because we already don't have much representation of instant noodle blocks in art to begin with, so no need to fragment between cup and pack noodle variants (also, unless you don't eat instant noodles much, I don't know how you interpreted that name as such).
Damian0358 said:
This is way too complex a relationship just to be able to tag noodles.
We'll end up with
- instant cup noodles
- instant pack noodles
- instant noodles
- instant ramen (-> ramen)
- instant udon (-> udon)
- instant soba (-> soba)So a post with instant cup soba would end up having soba, instant soba, instant noodles, and instant cup noodles. That's overkill.
nonamethanks said:
This is way too complex a relationship just to be able to tag noodles.
So a post with instant cup soba would end up having soba, instant soba, instant noodles, and instant cup noodles. That's overkill.
The individual instant noodle wouldn't imply their respective normal counterparts, because then you'd have said noodle tag on posts without any noodles to begin with. No (yaki)soba is present in post #6847619, only the cup yakisoba packaging, so if instant soba implied soba, then it would be tag-poisoning soba. Something like post #5728323 would unnecessarily have all three normal noodle tags because some bozo decided to have them imply.
So it would just be instant soba, instant noodles and instant cup noodles (and if you remember from my BUR post, I was planning to have instant noodles imply both the cup and pack tags, so in this context, both instant soba and instant cup noodles would call forth instant noodles).
BUR #23991 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create alias raou_(cup_ramen) -> nissin_raoh
Alright, I'll resubmit the previous BUR, but more segmented this time, from least to most contentious. Given the plan to rename cup_ramen to instant cup noodles, it only makes sense to rename the one tag that has cup ramen as a qualifier, but in this case there's another reason, and that's that you can actually buy Nissin Raoh in pack/bag form, so it isn't exclusively a cup ramen product (also the product is consistently romanized as Raoh, not Raou).
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BUR #23992 has been rejected.
remove alias cup_noodles -> cup_ramen
create alias cup_ramen -> instant_cup_noodles
create alias cup_udon -> instant_cup_noodles
create alias cup_soba -> instant_cup_noodles
create alias cup_yakisoba -> instant_cup_noodles
deprecate cup_noodles
rename pack_noodles -> instant_pack_noodles
Part 2. As mentioned, cup_ramen is also used for cup udon and cup soba products (with instant udon and instant soba used to distinguish from the instant ramen products), so making the tag's name more inclusive makes more sense. But cup_noodles is still ambiguous due to the existence of Nissin Cup Noodles, so to disambiguate further, making it instant cup noodles just makes sense. cup_noodles can then be deprecated. And for parity's sake, instant pack noodles follows in tow.
Part 3 would follow after this BUR.
The bulk update request #23991 (forum #271485) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
BUR #24262 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create implication donbee_kitsune_udon -> donbee_(food)
create implication donbee_tempura_soba -> donbee_(food)
create alias donbee_(food) -> nissin_donbei
rename donbee_dance -> donbei_dance
rename donbee_kitsune_udon -> donbei_kitsune_udon
rename donbee_tempura_soba -> donbei_tempura_soba
Given how we corrected Raoh, we might as well deal with this too, especially in light of the recent FFVII Rebirth ad featuring Sephiroth offering Donbei to Cloud. The product is consistently romanized as Donbei by Nissin, so it only makes sense to change it and have it reflect that. In the process of correcting the romanization, switching the qualifier out for Nissin preceding the product name makes sense too (though I wonder if we should do the same for the individual Donbei tags we have).
Before it is asked, Donbei packaging is extremely uniform, so unless specified, you can't identify what flavor of Donbei is in something like post #2716792, plus Kitsune Udon and Tempura Soba are only the most popular flavors, there are others too which have appeared in posts, ala donbee_(food) -donbee_kitsune_udon -donbee_tempura_soba. So we're not getting rid of the general Donbei tag.
The bulk update request #24262 (forum #272593) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
The bulk update request #23992 (forum #271486) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.