mass update iisuna_(oretwin) -> iisuna_anko
create implication dark_grasper -> iisuna_anko
create implication tail_black -> iisuna_anko
Official spelling according to EN Wiki and future developments.
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mass update iisuna_(oretwin) -> iisuna_anko
create implication dark_grasper -> iisuna_anko
create implication tail_black -> iisuna_anko
Official spelling according to EN Wiki and future developments.
edit: Added from JP wiki.
Updated
create alias thouars -> twoearle
This is the official spelling (also used in simulcast subtitles)
Also, I think we should keep transformed forms separate from the civilian identities, as they're visually distinct. I will do some cleanup on that if it's agreed.
I noticed that the Mitsuka Souji tag has been removed from any posts relating to Tail Red. Should that have been done or not? Tail Red is still Souji, even though he's genderswapped.
Benit149 said:
I noticed that the Mitsuka Souji tag has been removed from any posts relating to Tail Red. Should that have been done or not? Tail Red is still Souji, even though he's genderswapped.
I didn't do any tag changes myself (yet, as I wanted to see what conclusion we'd reach in this thread), but read my post above for the reasoning. We tag based on appearances, and if a transformation is a drastically different appearance (and not just a change in costume), I think it's worthy of keeping tags separate. It's certainly the case with this series (particularly with Tail Red). Makes it to where instances of both forms appearing are more searchable (dual/multiple persona is usually taggable in those instances, but not always).
I had been meaning to make a thread about this for a while, but z905844 beat me to it.
About Iisuna: her name (イースナ) is written Acena in her character introduction in book 3. Very minor spoiler: Iisuna Anko (善沙闇子) is her identity on this Earth and seems to just be a cover name. She's actually from Twoearle's world.
Somewhat bigger spoiler, but I don't think we should try to reflect this one in the tags: Acena is actually transformed into Dark Grasper when she's Iisuna Anko, since her personality changes. But since she's not wearing Dark Grasper's outfit, I don't think Iisuna Anko pictures should be tagged Dark Grasper. And trying to separate Acena vs. Iisuna Anko would be annoying and unhelpful.
Also, Sora (ソーラ) is written Solar in her character introduction in book 4. She introduces herself as ソーラ・ミートゥカ (Soora Miituka) at one point, but the character introduction page just says ソーラ/Solar.
Another point about Sora/Solar: as I wrote in her Danbooru wiki page quite a while ago, she is not the same as Tail Red, so posts like post #1462424 and post #1570121 should not be tagged Tail Red.
EB said:
if a transformation is a drastically different appearance (and not just a change in costume), I think it's worthy of keeping tags separate.
That is just dumb. It is the same character, her name does NOT change. So why is the tag removed? If a character puts on a mask then it is visually distinct but we still call it by its name unless it is a spoiler. You are making more difficult to search for images of Souji when you remove this tag from the character.
Laethiel said:
Also, Sora (ソーラ) is written Solar in her character introduction in book 4. She introduces herself as ソーラ・ミートゥカ (Soora Miituka) at one point, but the character introduction page just says ソーラ/Solar.
It should be tagged Sora_mituka, her character card has her as "ラ・ミートゥカ".
Setsunator said:
That is just dumb. It is the same character, her name does NOT change.
...funny that you've said "her" about the same character. A male one :)
So why is the tag removed? If a character puts on a mask then it is visually distinct but we still call it by its name unless it is a spoiler.
EB gave you the reasons and they are a valid ones.
The problem with character with mask on the face is that it's usually... the same man with the mask on the face. So unless there is some kind of drastic body transformation like genderswap or animalization then it's hardly distinct enough to categorize him as someone else and exclude his previous version. At least this is how I feel.
You are making more difficult to search for images of Souji when you remove this tag from the character.
And you are trying to make more difficult (if not impossible) to search for images of mitsuka_souji male version only *shrug*
richie said:
...funny that you've said "her" about the same character. A male one :)
We are talking about her when she is in her genderswap, so referring to her as "her" would be correct syntax.
richie said:
EB gave you the reasons and they are a valid ones.
No they are not. His ONLY claim is: "They look different" and that's it; hence why I used the mask example.
richie said:
The problem with character with mask on the face is that it's usually... the same man with the mask on the face. So unless there is some kind of drastic body transformation like genderswap or animalization then it's hardly distinct enough to categorize him as someone else and exclude his previous version. At least this is how I feel.
He could be hunching over or having put on a cloak. You wouldn't be able to tell it was actually the same character -- no transformation needed. Unless it was a spoiler, and if we actually knew from the anime/manga that this was the same character even if that character had called himself something different when under the mask -- the character should still be tagged with their name right?
About animalization -- are you saying that characters should no longer be referred to their names in images where they have been transformed into an animal? Lets use Ryouga from Ranma_1/2 he is currently tagged with P-chan and hibiki_ryouga in all images where he appears as a pig. Are you saying that his name should be r3emvoed from all these images? That would make searching for images of him harder.
richie said:
And you are trying to make more difficult (if not impossible) to search for images of mitsuka_souji male version only *shrug*
There are like 3-5 images of him. Just search for [mitsuka_souji -genderswap] and you will find all images of him.
Setsunator said:
There are like 3-5 images of him. Just search for [mitsuka_souji -genderswap] and you will find all images of him.
No, it doesn't. post #1826491 and its child would be excluded in that search, which is exactly the point I already made above.
EB said:
No, it doesn't. post #1826491 and its child would be excluded in that search, which is exactly the point I already made above.
3-5 images. Then just do a mitsuka_souji and dual_persona for the remaining images. An image where both of a characters persona exist are after all a very specific type of image. But you have still failed to point out any relevance why Danbooru should make an exception for images where the character looks different but is the same character. For example lets use the character Saotome_Ranma. The same applies there. He/she is vastly different when transformed -- if we go by your logic then all images with Ranma-chan in them that doesn't include the male-type, should have the name saotome_ranma removed right?
Setsunator said:
3-5 images. Then just do a mitsuka_souji and dual_persona for the remaining images.
How about you do a simple mitsuka_souji search first following the another simple tail_red to get all your possible Souji instances, hmmm?
A ~mitsuka_souji ~tail_red search works fine too.
Funny how you're complaining about your problem which is comparatively easy to resolve, and in the same time bossing around with complicated solutions of problem which doesn't concern you.
But you have still failed to point out any relevance why Danbooru should make an exception for images where the character looks different but is the same character
Not "character looks different" but de facto "they become different characters".
The change of your typical male protagonist to buxom girl/flat-chested mahou shoujo/small black piglet is not equal to putting the mask or cloak on yourself. Such different characters are distinguishable enough not to confuse both forms of them. This is a meritoric reason. The technical one I've mentioned earlier: it's comparitively easier to deal with problems of separate tagging than the one you stand for.
And answering to your question - yes, if only it'd decided by mods to apply such rule globally then we should remove saotome_ranma and hibiki_ryouga from their ranma_chan and p_chan pictures respectively.
Dual persona is not the only type of image where both versions of the character may appear. There are other hypothetical situations like one cosplaying as the other, for instance an untransformed Souji cosplaying as Tail Red. The search options are undoubtedly better keeping them separate. It's true there's not much need for those options when there's not many images, but you never know what will or won't become popular.
For past discussion on transformations see topic #3861, where the approach EB is talking about was decided should be the approach used for the site.
The series Ore Twintail Ni Narimasu is having three main heroines:
However, for some reason Tail Blue's and Yellow's civilian form is always getting tagged along with the fighting form, whereas this isn't the case for Tail Red.
This is an inconsistency I find a bit strange. One might argue that Souji's Tail Red form is more like the battle form of his female alter ago Sora, but shouldn't Sora be tagged than instead? And aren't both essentially Souji, just like Tail Blue and Yellow are essentially Aika or Erina?
Thanks in advance for clarifying.
Debated in forum #101024
I completely agree with Setsunator. there are quite the few inconsistencies here.
Ranma and Ranma-chan are not differenciated, but Kyon and Kyonko are. Ok, Kyonko is more a fanfic thing whereas Ranma-chan and male Ranma are both part of the same persona...but so are Souji and Tail Red. And it is especially strange when Tail red is the only Ore twintails character these rules apply to.
So if you want to keep Tail red and Souji different, we have to do the same for all the other characters as well.