Clarification: Effect of 'Banned' Posts on a User Record

Suppose a user uploads a Pixiv post from an artist who isn't part of the banned_artist category, nor does the latter have any outstanding requests against Danbooru. The artist then requests Danbooru to take down his art at some point in the future. Do the banned posts count against the uploader?

I mean, I can understand that if a user uploads art that is from an artist already listed (at the time of uploading) in the banned_artist category, then it should count against his record, to discourage such practice. Uploaders should conduct due diligence before uploading images, after all. At the same time, uploaders can't predict if an artist will request for a takedown later, so counting images that are banned later against a user's record does seem a bit unfair (assuming the artist wasn't 'banned' at the time of upload), and has the potential to nuke a user's upload limit (or at least leave an indelible mark) if he's a fan of a particular artist and uploads almost exclusively with art from said artist.

Most likely they do not as they aren't deleted.

Log said:

Most likely they do not as they aren't deleted.

I see. So the way it works is that banned posts don't count against an uploader, but someone who persistently uploads art from an artist already listed in the banned category may be sanctioned with negative records (and temp/permanent bans), right?

forum #94849

If someone was to knowingly focus on uploading an already banned artist's works there would likely be consequences but I don't recall what we decided that punishment was.

edit: actually I don't think we ever decided anything because the thread turned into an ethics question on even listing the ability to see banned posts in the user_upgrades page.

Got it, thanks guys. In the unlikely event that I do encounter somebody knowingly mass-uploading works from a banned artist, I guess the best way to handle it is through Dmail, and a possible neutral record if he ignores the message. If he ignores that as well I'll create a new forum topic to discuss what should be done then.

Log said:

edit: actually I don't think we ever decided anything because the thread turned into an ethics question on even listing the ability to see banned posts in the user_upgrades page.

It was questioning whether it was ethical to not delete artwork that the artist had requested deleted. The decision was to interpret it another way and bury the way it worked so the topic could be dustbinned.

NNescio said:

I mean, I can understand that if a user uploads art that is from an artist already listed (at the time of uploading) in the banned_artist category, then it should count against his record, to discourage such practice.

Banned posts don't decrease upload limit whether they were uploaded before or after banning.

And implementing it so only those uploaded afterwards decrease limit would probably require a new indexed column on posts which might cause site performance problems.

NNescio said:

In the unlikely event that I do encounter somebody knowingly mass-uploading works from a banned artist, I guess the best way to handle it is through Dmail, and a possible neutral record if he ignores the message. If he ignores that as well I'll create a new forum topic to discuss what should be done then.

Uploading from banned artists was not discouraged, so there's no basis for that. There even was a statement along the lines of "there's no reason to not upload them".

It wasn't discouraged in the thread, but it is discouraged in site documentation:

http://danbooru.donmai.us/artists/banned said:

Please do not upload any works from these artists.

banned_artist said:

If you accidentally upload a post by a banned artist, or spot a post that isn't marked as banned when it should be, please report it in topic #10525.

The big red "BANNED ARTIST" that the upload screen shows when using the find-artist feature on a banned artist also seems discouraging, but maybe that's just me.

Edit: Also, the wiki pages for individual banned artists each refer to them as "No-post artists."

fossilnix said:

The big red "BANNED ARTIST" that the upload screen shows when using the find-artist feature on a banned artist also seems discouraging, but maybe that's just me.

That's so the uploader is aware that it's a banned artist. Some people don't want to upload posts from banned artists so it prevents them from doing so accidentally.

fossilnix said:

Edit: Also, the wiki pages for individual banned artists each refer to them as "No-post artists."

Those wikis were written by henmere, they're not official.

If I recall correctly, the consensus in the topic was that it's fine to upload banned work, as the site is a repository, but it should be properly reported in the appropriate topic to be banned.

Is that still not automated using the banned_artist tag?

Schrobby said:

Is that still not automated using the banned_artist tag?

No. The banned_artist tag affects nothing.

Automating it by the tag itself would cause a lot of problems with abuse and false-positives, I imagine.