Improving moderation process

Posted under Bugs & Features

Borrator said:

I think keeping literal and precise on "poor quality" is a lot more important than on "no interest" so if you gotta go for an inaccurate reason, "no interest" is better

Yes please. "Poor quality" is easy to construe and bundle together, "no interest" is not.

Some new changes. You can now include a short message to the uploader when rejecting/hiding a post. Every day any message from a disapproval will be dmailed to the uploader. I'd like to see if we still need to tweak the default reasons after this change.

That's quite an interesting update, I hope contributors could also receive messages from the approvers/reviewers automatically just to notify us if there are some issues from our uploads even though our uploads automatically could pass through the moderation queue.

Log said:

I... don't think that message works right, it just sent me the message that I left on something else.

Not only that, but going by "dmail_messages!" function in this file that message will be sent every day for a year, since the info on whether the uploader was notified on that specific disapproval comment is not stored anywhere. Someone should probably amend issue #2479 with that info, I can't login to github for another 8 hours or so.

z905844 said:

We need some QoL changes, especially with the queue now growing to a size that would take a huge amount of time to clear.

Growing? It's not any bigger than I remember it ever being at 3 days for past year. Unless you only mean the variety of dismissing posts.

Wypatroszony said:

Growing? It's not any bigger than I remember it ever being at 3 days for past year. Unless you only mean the variety of dismissing posts.

The queue is 28 pages long as of this post on my end.

It has never exceeded 5-10 pages in the past.

It will take me a good hour or two to check all of them and with my time rather limited on the weekdays, it's rather infuriating, esp. with the "hide all" button being gone.

z905844 said:

The queue is 28 pages long as of this post on my end.

It has never exceeded 5-10 pages in the past.

It will take me a good hour or two to check all of them and with my time rather limited on the weekdays, it's rather infuriating, esp. with the "hide all" button being gone.

The queue used to show 100 posts per page by default. Now it shows 25.

At 100 per page it has 7 pages right now. Only at 25 per page does it show the 28 you're seeing.

If you want the 100 per page back so it shows 7 pages, click the dropdown box that says 25, change it to 100, then click search.

If you're wondering why they're visible to everyone and not just the moderation staff, it's so that others can make their own judgements about it and plan accordingly. Mid level users can vote them up and everyone can choose favorites. Though this isn't supposed to factor into approval, it does allow for problem uploads to be more easily reported, either for rule-breaking, being from a banned artist, or just being poor quality in general. Increasing the number of eyes also helps catch more duplicates.

And you won't have 30 people trying to upload the same image that's already in the queue.
And you can immediately see your favourite artist's latest works without having to wait a few days.
And that posts are ordered by ID, so if we wanted to make those posts invisible, they'd be on page 10+ when finally approved and you'll never see them, or the code/database would have to be changed to assign an ID + upload date when approved.

I've been trying to find a guide or tutorial on the sites standards for what is good and what is bad quality. Can someone point me in the right direction?

post #2100430; post #2085420; post #2100234: Were flagged for poor quality. And that could be true, as that is not my say.

I chose these examples as they all have something that confused me as to what the standards are.

post #2100430 when compared to post #2092266 is a better image. The shading is more subtle, the proportions are more accurate. The coloring is deeper an more detailed. But the confusing thing is that post #2100430 was flagged for bad quality, so why did post #2092266 get a pass?

post #2085420 I assume is because of the new standards for Furry posts. The page for the tag didn't have examples on what is good and bad for this category. Can someone link an example? And should post #2031655, post #1956372, post #1872227, post #1560159, post #1834964, post #1560159, post #1560157, and/or post #1559442 be flagged for deletion? They are from the same artist and arguably the same quality as the deleted post.

post #2100234 I presume it is because of the breasts, but considering there is a bad anatomy flag, and it wasn't used I'm not sure.

I'm sorry for the long post and thank you for your time.

Improvman_Epsilon said:

post #2100430; post #2085420; post #2100234: Were flagged for poor quality. And that could be true, as that is not my say.

None of those posts have been flagged. If they had been it would say "This post was flagged for deletion:".

Two of the posts are still pending approval and can still be approved in the next 2 days. One of them was deleted due to lack of interest and because furry was still against the rules at the time it was posted (rules were changed to allow it only 2 weeks ago).

Toks said:

None of those posts have been flagged. If they had been it would say "This post was flagged for deletion:".

Two of the posts are still pending approval and can still be approved in the next 2 days. One of them was deleted due to lack of interest and because furry was still against the rules at the time it was posted (rules were changed to allow it only 2 weeks ago).

Thank you for clearing that up, but it also makes me wonder why the earlier furry posts were allowed.

If some art is good enough, even a lot of rule breaking work gets kept, that was observable for a lot of furry work and other things. The site as a whole needs more clarification on exceptions to rules for this reason. We've adjusted the ToS accordingly, but it might need more work, so the moderators don't step on each others toes.

It seems that explicit-rated images are much harder to pass the moderation queue, even if it's a pretty good art IMO. It's like that there are SJWs among the mods.

A safe or questionable-rated images usually takes 0-1 days depending on quality for it to be approved, but for explicit ones, it takes 2-3 days, whether it's bad or good quality image. I don't want to accuse someone for this, but I realized this "abnormality" since my earlier months on Danbooru. It makes me don't want to bother to upload explicit images anymore, because my mindset for explicit images is like "3 days or die". It's just unfair. It gives me the impression that all mods are have bad spots with explicit images.

That's it. Let me cool my head up for a night. In the end, it's all for nothing anyway.

It seems that explicit-rated images are much harder to pass the moderation queue, even if it's a pretty good art IMO.

That because the only consideration most people give to porn is, "Yeah, I'd jack it to this, so it's great."

A safe or questionable-rated images usually takes 0-1 days depending on quality for it to be approved, but for explicit ones, it takes 2-3 days, whether it's bad or good quality image. I don't want to accuse someone for this, but I realized this "abnormality" since my earlier months on Danbooru.

So it takes slightly longer for them to still get approved? Boo hoo.

It makes me don't want to bother to upload explicit images anymore, because my mindset for explicit images is like "3 days or die". It's just unfair. It gives me the impression that all mods are have bad spots with explicit images.

You personally have 365 approved explicit images right now. That's about 87% of the explicit uploads you've made. Yeah it seems like we just can't stand porn around here.

ShadowbladeEdge said:

That because the only consideration most people give to porn is, "Yeah, I'd jack it to this, so it's great."

So it takes slightly longer for them to still get approved? Boo hoo.

You personally have 365 approved explicit images right now. That's about 87% of the explicit uploads you've made. Yeah it seems like we just can't stand porn around here.

Point taken.

"Longer" is not the issue, the "them" part is.

So explicit image is a no-no for several mods? Then it makes Danbooru almost no different with Safebooru. I'm not insulting or disrespecting your personal preferences and judging skills, really. I just want a clarity here.

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