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Androgynous

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feline_lump said:

Neferpitou is another potential candidate for these tags, but I'm unsure. The original manga intentionally leaves their gender ambiguous, but the anime and mobage adaptations explicitly write them as a female. Thoughts?

This is a tricky one, but I'd say the tag would apply when they're not being drawn as feminine. So basically in images where there isn't the pronounced chest or other feminine characteristics that they have in the anime depiction. The artist's own tags, where applicable, could also be used to determine whether they meant to depict the manga or the adaption version.

create implication 2others -> multiple_others
create implication 3others -> multiple_others
create implication 4others -> multiple_others
create implication 5others -> multiple_others
create implication 6+others -> multiple_others

Link to request

Per the above discussion. We already have the tags, just need the implications like *_girls and *_boys.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1680 (forum #147214) has been approved by @Hillside_Moose.

Updated by DanbooruBot

tapnek said:

"Tag what you see" is still the primary rule to follow. If they look sufficiently androgynous, you can tag then as such. Otherwise, until then, tag them as 1boy or 1girl.

We already break that rule very often with gender tags, especially with the amount of otoko no ko characters drawn identically to flat-chested girls.

feline_lump said:

A small point of contention: Is 1other/androgynous appropriate tagging for pre-op transgender characters? Artist pas (paxiti) has several original characters tagged this way, after recently expressing disapproval at them being tagged as boys, but it's out of the scope of what we had originally discussed for these tags.

Tagging them as "1other" seems OK to me. If they are canonically not identified as boys or "otoko no ko", then they shouldn't be tagged as such now that we have alternate tags to use. I disagree with using androgynous though. Androgynous should be for when a character has a mixed masculine and feminine appearance. It shouldn't be used for a character that has an unambiguously feminine appearance, or to indicate the canon status of a character now that we have the "other" tags which covers that.

As a trans person, imo transgender characters should be tagged as their presented gender, unless genitalia is visible or the presentation of them as both/neither is a primary subject of the piece for some reason (see agawa ryou's newhalf characters, whom are 200% fetish-fuel in their depiction).

For visual purposes, the Pas characters in question are, from what I can tell from a cursory glance, identical to flat-chested girls. Their status as trans doesn't mean anything if you can't see genitalia.

edit: Besides, canon character knowledge already overrides visual presentation in many established cases, especially with otoko no ko/reverse trap scenarios.

Kayako said:

As a trans person, imo transgender characters should be tagged as their presented gender

But should there be an extra tag besides adding to the count of their presented gender? I feel that's information, that like otoko no ko/reverse trap, should be tagged. Currently transgender is aliased to genderswap, which is actually completely contradictory to what the wiki for genderswap currently says. By the wiki definition, even a post-op transgender character would not count for the tag. Something needs to be decided on and updated there.

EB said:

But should there be an extra tag besides adding to the count of their presented gender? I feel that's information, that like otoko no ko/reverse trap, should be tagged. Currently transgender is aliased to genderswap, which is actually completely contradictory to what the wiki for genderswap currently says. By the wiki definition, even a post-op transgender character would not count for the tag. Something needs to be decided on and updated there.

If that information needs tagging, I would be in favor of dealiasing transgender -> genderswap. While it made sense at the time, I don't think transgender is commonly used as a stand-in term for genderswap in other communities much anymore, and honestly that alias probably already confuses the heck out of younger searchers. If there's still issues, they should be rare enough to be fixed manually.

Noticed some small contention over tagging Kirby and related characters as "others". This raises a couple questions:

  • Is it appropriate to use counter tags at all for non-humanoid creatures?
  • If so, is Kirby being called "he" and a "little boy" in official lore sufficient for 1boy? Conversely, is every common enemy without an obvious gender 1other?

Leaning towards "no" on the first count because I doubt anyone cares that much about the second, but I figured I'd make sure.

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