Yep, H̶a̶r̶u̶n̶a̶ Ido is not okay, what have you done this time little rabbit...
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OOZ662 said:
And so the discussion of whether status:banned posts should be available to paying Danbooru members rears its ugly head again.
Imho, they should only be available for builder+ accounts, for purely technical reasons. Gold/Platinum users being able to see status:banned posts is dumb, people shouldn't be paying to see this stuff. Especially if it's paid_reward.
OOZ662 said:
And so the discussion of whether status:banned posts should be available to paying Danbooru members rears its ugly head again.
Also the discussion about the wishy-washy rule that uploading complete doujinshi chapters is "discouraged" when it plainly isn't. It's a rare double-whammy subject of debate.
Mysterious_Uploader said:
Imho, they should only be available for builder+ accounts, for purely technical reasons. Gold/Platinum users being able to see status:banned posts is dumb, people shouldn't be paying to see this stuff. Especially if it's paid_reward.
As a platinum user, I didn't pay for my account so I could see deleted images. I'm kinda opposed because that is the only way I can seed artists like Paseri and her official art for Kantai Collection and Girls' Frontline. I think uploading of doujinshi should be more restricted and frowned upon.
Delete the pool. It's that, or he becomes a banned artist, which may happen anyways.
The main reason the posts are still there are so the system can catch them during upload to stop them... but is there another solution? Or do we have to make it so that anything with ido as a tag is banned, as banned artists are?
We don't normally upload whole doujin here.... for the reason the tweet makes clear.
Arcana55 said:
Is there any way to check for status:banned without having to keep the file in question? For example, only storing the md5, dimensions, and file size?
Someone could upload a slightly different picture (higher/lower res), and the ''similar'' search engine wouldn't trigger. You're assuming that a picture has one res and one source.
Pronak said:
As a platinum user, I didn't pay for my account so I could see deleted images. I'm kinda opposed because that is the only way I can seed artists like Paseri and her official art for Kantai Collection and Girls' Frontline.
Yeah, that's the issue with changing the visibility of banned art. I don't think Albert would be too enthusiastic about disabling anyone's access to banned images if it meant offering refunds to everyone who paid for the privilege. Remember, Danbooru used to advertise this as a perk of upgrading your account!
Mysterious_Uploader said:
To what though? We're still discussing, i feel sorry for the artist but we can't just rush things.
It's hardly rushing things when we've been aware of the problem for years and still haven't done anything about it. There have been numerous threads like this one, all with the same (lack of) results. The only way I can see things ever changing from the status quo is legal action from an artist unsatisfied with having their work "banned" but not deleted.
Mysterious_Uploader said:
To what though? We're still discussing, i feel sorry for the artist but we can't just rush things.
He's selling it currently. It's his newest book.
This isn't like most of the other cases. And he's a lurker here, so it's his damn dime that death usagi stole.
I'm of the opinion that we delete the pool before he calls in more than angry tweets. Maybe a rule that breaking the doujin upload, especially if it's pirated, can result in bans.
Jarlath said:
He's selling it currently. It's his newest book.
This isn't like most of the other cases. And he's a lurker here, so it's his damn dime that death usagi stole.
I'm of the opinion that we delete the pool before he calls in more than angry tweets. Maybe a rule that breaking the doujin upload, especially if it's pirated, can result in bans.
I absolutely agree on that, especially it being their newest one. We host artworks, not manga, which although fits into the general "artworks" idea, is different. (It's late, sorry. Can't english properly.)
I think a good resolution is setting Paid Reward non-viewable by Platinum or lower users (for technical purposes, avoiding reposts et cetera), or have paid rewards only uppable a year or two after they got released, otherwise you can get warned and then banned.
Jarlath said:
This isn't like most of the other cases.
With the advent of Patreon et al, we've been getting closer to most [relevant] cases being paid rewards which I would put in the same boat.
Mysterious_Uploader said:
I absolutely agree on that, especially it being their newest one. We host artworks, not manga, which although fits into the general "artworks" idea, is different. (It's late, sorry. Can't english properly.)
I think a good resolution is setting Paid Reward non-viewable by Platinum or lower users (for technical purposes, avoiding reposts et cetera), or have paid rewards only uppable a year or two after they got released, otherwise you can get warned and then banned.
He wants them gone, but doing so risks reuploads with altered resolution or DPS to bypass md5 searches.
I would argue it's best to make the forbidden period as long as it's a paid reward or otherwise not publically available. The original uploader has argued against whole manga uploads before, which makes me inclined to punish him hard to show Ido we're actually sorry.
OOZ662 said:
With the advent of Patreon et al, we've been getting closer to most [relevant] cases being paid rewards which I would put in the same boat.
In that case, can we get a hard ban rule in effect for uploads of that sort, and enforce it? I was leaning towards flagging, except I felt it wouldn't go anywhere given past arguments on the subject.
I'm of the opinion that if you're uploading from pirate sources, you're already a pirate and on violation of a rule we should have and ENFORCE. Just saying "Your exclusive right to profit from your works is assured." isn't enough.
I agree that uploading entire pirated doujins and paid rewards from patreon should be a bannable offence.
I disagree with removing the ability to view banned art in its current form, there is a lot of art from official sources that is banned because of the artist, not the official owner (game company).
My two cents.
shade_30 said:
I agree that uploading entire pirated doujins and paid rewards from patreon should be a bannable offence.
I disagree with removing the ability to view banned art in its current form, there is a lot of art from official sources that is banned because of the artist, not the official owner (game company).
My two cents.
"I not a thief if I stole it from someone else who stole it first" isn't a very good argument.
Jarlath said:
"I not a thief if I stole it from someone else who stole it first" isn't a very good argument.
You misinterpreted the thing. There are some banned artists working on games. If the games' CGs get uploaded, but they're from said banned artist, those CGs will inevitably fall under ''banned post''.
My opinion is that paid content shouldn't be visible to paying users unless they're at least 2/3 years old from release, and that they should be kept for technical reasons only
Why make it available after a set period? If the artist wants to make something available after a certain period, they'll do it themself, and then the work can be uploaded from the site it is made available on.
All you have to do is make sure that a paid reward being on the site doesn't prevent a non-paid version of the same thing from getting approved