Eliminating redundant tags.

Some tags seem redundant.

e.g.

persona games always include the tag "persona"
street fighter tags sometimes include major redundancy like in post #338322

For most things I've noticed the original/specific series is sometimes unnecessary.

Is this a problem or is it supposed to be like this?

It's not redundant, it's useful for searches.

This is done for a specific reason.

In fact, it needs to be the norm among multi-entrant series.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to search for just Nanoha season 1 stuff right now?

One tag that's always struck me as redundant is gust. Unlike the usual game company tags (capcom, nintendo, nippon ichi, etc) Gust isn't a developer that is legendary for having its characters make cameos or appear in other games/series on a massive scale. So unless our goal is to tag every game developer, I don't think Gust warrants one.

Is there any such jarring distinction among the persona games so as not to implicate them to the series tag? I remember al's standing on it last time 'round was only if the games' stories were serial (eliminating the many Final Fantasies, for instance), but if we're gonna stick the tag there anyway, why NOT implicate (unless we make a new color, something for specific groups (even extending to in-material things, like school clubs or organizations))?

T5J8F8 said:
Is there any such jarring distinction among the persona games so as not to implicate them to the series tag?

Yes. They're so different that the series tag is worthless. Why have them all marked as "persona" instead of just "persona 3" or "persona 4"? That's the real question here.

On the opposite end is the "street_fighter street_fighter_zero street_fighter_zero_iii" tags all being present for the image. Is it really that different that we need 3 tags, let alone a subcategory of a subcategory of a tag?

T5J8F8 said: I remember al's standing on it last time 'round was only if the games' stories were serial (eliminating the many Final Fantasies, for instance), but if we're gonna stick the tag there anyway, why NOT implicate (unless we make a new color, something for specific groups (even extending to in-material things, like school clubs or organizations))?

I think that would be a little extreme. It would make proper organization tedious and useless.

If someone is searching for a character from a series but doesn't know which part of the series the character is from it is far easier to search for say persona than check 4 different tags trying to find said character. It's also a catchall for when you don't know which part of a series a character is from but you know it's from a certain series (say I know this character comes from a persona game but I don't know if it's 1 2 3 or 4.)

Some people also just want art from all parts of a series rather than one specific game out of that series.

Yeah, though my question about the Personas' (Personae's?) connection was sincere, I'd still stand by an overarch tag due to artistic similarities from title to title (which is more than could be said of FF's shift over time).

As for group tags (I hesitate to type that, since "artist circle" is popping to mind while not familiar enough with that concept), a standing example is Organization XIII.

T5J8F8 said:
As for group tags (I hesitate to type that, since "artist circle" is popping to mind while not familiar enough with that concept), a standing example is Organization XIII.

This seems more like a uniform tag, or should be, like stakes of purgatory or angel mort.

I prefer the redundancy, it allows for more general or specific queries as desired.

I agree with Log's stance. The purpose of tagging is to make things easier to find, not harder.

I think the Persona games are thematically and stylistically connected enough to warrant a blanket tag connecting them all, while I don't think it would be proper to give them a Shin Megami Tensei tag as well (since this is an issue that has come up).

7HS said:
One tag that's always struck me as redundant is gust. Unlike the usual game company tags (capcom, nintendo, nippon ichi, etc) Gust isn't a developer that is legendary for having its characters make cameos or appear in other games/series on a massive scale. So unless our goal is to tag every game developer, I don't think Gust warrants one.

I don't really know about gust, but some h-game companies have very distinctive art that is often more recognizable than the individual title (probably due to have an in-house or at least regular character designer) - to the point where you may be able to tell who made a game cg but have difficulty identifying the actual game.

I can see the argument against having blanket tags at some level, but at the same time I don't feel that, with the presence of adequate metadata, it's especially limiting. Finding the first season of Nanoha? /msln -/msln* should be sufficient for that. "Should" being the key word here.

First of all, that particular search doesn't work (is that a bug related to the / notation? /msln -mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_* doesn't work either...). More worrisome, however, is that a cursory look reveals many images uploaded that are obviously not even properly tagged with their copy. Like Yagami family pictures without /mslna or Nanoha in her StrikerS instructor uniform without /mslns. Oh hell, and that Kamen Rider parody (with the StrikerS "coat" Barrier Jacket) is my own upload... whoops. See, it's easy to screw up even if you do care.

Now, it's a solution I somewhat dislike but some of this could me mitigated by making the character's series and first appearance implied. That is, vita implies /msln /mslna and yamagishi_fuuka implies persona persona_3.

DschingisKhan said:
Now, it's a solution I somewhat dislike but some of this could me mitigated by making the character's series and first appearance implied. That is, vita implies /msln /mslna and yamagishi_fuuka implies persona persona_3.

Not a bad idea, but I pity whoever gets put in charge of regulating that. You'd have to do that for every single character tagged here, all sixteen thousand nine hundred of them.

Granola said: Is this a problem or is it supposed to be like this?

It's supposed to be like that.

Ephyon said:
Not a bad idea, but I pity whoever gets put in charge of regulating that. You'd have to do that for every single character tagged here, all sixteen thousand nine hundred of them.

I don't. It sounds like a fun little programming problem. Were I not sort of strapped for time, I'd probably try tackling it myself (though I'm not a fan of Ruby).

I've used blanket tags multiple times. They're a useful searching tool.

Anyway, it's not like we're going to run out of tags.

-mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_a%27s+-mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_strikers+-mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_strikers+mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha

worked for me except for posts that should've had a's or strikers on them, which isn't really tag's fault.

Thanks for all the clarification/discussion.

I asked mostly because I wanted to make sure I was using blanket tags correctly.