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Updating alternate_costume and its wiki

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BUR #3181 has been approved by @evazion.

remove alias alternate_outfit -> alternate_costume

If this BUR is approved then I will submit a follow-up BUR as follows:

alias alternate_costume -> alternate_outfit
alias adapted_costume -> adapted_outfit

Quite often the "costumes" being tagged are just regular clothes, which are not costumes. Changing the tag names to "x_outfit" gives a better sense of what the tag is for.

As for alternate_costume's wiki, it currently reads as follows:

A character wearing a (typically fanmade/unofficial) costume other than the one they are typically depicted in.

For a game character, this is a costume other than the standard, one that can be unlocked within the game.

This is a poor description. The wiki is trying to describe it as a tag for unofficial fan-made outfits, but it then mentions it is also for any non-standard outfits, such as alternate skins in games like Azur Lane. This second sentence poses issues when trying to decide which outfit is a character's "standard" outfit - take a character like Aoi Itsuki. He has two main outfits, his school uniform and his stage costume. Which is the default "standard"? Is it the one he wears 90% of the time, or the one on the cover of the game? There's also The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, where Link has no starting outfit and there are many different sets of clothing available throughout the game.

I believe that rather than game skins, this tag should be for outfits that a character has not worn in any official media. Such a definition leaves little room for subjectivity and feels in line with what the tag was originally supposed to be used for. If people want a tag for game skins then I wouldn't be opposed to the creation of something like alternate_skin, but as it stands I don't think alternate_costume/alternate_outfit is particularly useful when it's for both at the same time.

EDIT: This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.

EDIT: The bulk update request #3181 (forum #170635) has been approved by @evazion.

Updated by DanbooruBot

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Rewrite the wiki, yes, but that description sounds correct for borrowed_design.

We have other tags that can be used instead of nuking/changing alternate_costume which has been around since 2008.
Tag gardening, e.g. with borrowed_design, casual, etc. sounds like the more correct action unless you want to go through over a decade's worth of posts, e.g. street_fighter alternate_costume.

Regarding link, anything except his tunic should be alternate.

Neutral on changing alternate_costume to alternate_outfit.

As for the alias for adapted_costume to adapted_outfit, -1. This would dilute the meaning of the tag, especially given that the clothing and outfits of a character are either unique to the character (ie their costume) or they're a generic uniform, in which case adapted_uniform would be the proper tag used not adapted_costume. Changing it to outfit would lose this distinction.

I decided to look up *_costume, *_outfit, and *_attire, to see how each is used, given Zapdos' commentary on how these costumes are quite often regular clothes.

Using the tag search, I found that there were around 150 *_costume, about 20-ish *_outfit and only two *_attire. For the first, most of what is tagged there does generally reflect that it is for actual costumes, though we have the case of borrowed_design having borrowed_costume aliased to it. For the second, while three of the tags are just aliases to maid, nurse, and santa costume respectively, there are a few tags which seem misplaced under "outfit", i.e. princess outfit (which should probably be princess dress and/or princess, based on previous discussions on what 'profession' tags are supposed to be for), honey bee girl outfit, chupacabra outfit and harem outfit. And for the third, it's literally just used for meme attire, while the other tag is Fate/ related.

It might be worth just combining through these tags, to do a bit of name clean-up to the lead-up of alternate outfit, for uniformity and clarity purposes. In regards to adapted outfit, in line with Renim's objections, perhaps adapted design would be a better name, since it would line up with borrowed design (and the two tags already have one another mentioned in the other's "See Also" section).

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