chest_belt chest_strap confusion

chest_belt and chest_strap each have no wiki, and there's a lot of inconsistency to their tagging.

chest_belt is used for everything from post #1964143 (more like a chest_harness), post #2806440 (a single belt loosely slung around torso), post #2879337 (part of a bikini), post #3158941 (decorative addition to dress), post #4221275 (a buckle-less strap crossing over cleavage), post #3949721 (buckle-less strap going encircling torso and covering nipples) to post #4154571 (a purely decorative buckle).

chest_strap usage includes post #3535976 (literally a belt) post #3271101 (also a belt), post #3934673 (harness?), post #3720050 (part of a criss-cross_halter), post #3381186 (holding a shirt closed), post #3787278 (bondage_outfit), post #3324444 (ribbon in maid outfit cleavage cutout?) and post #3890095 (encircling the base of the breasts).

An example, Surtr's outfit is often tagged with chest_belt, only a few times with chest_strap, and often without either.

There's also some posts under chest_harness which might be better under one of these (e.g. post #4300991, post #4108848).
Mano Aloe's outfit is usually just chest_harness, sometimes also chest_belt (post #4051440) or also chest_strap (post #4057573) and quite often neither of the three (post #4455067).

I would suggest that either:
a) just alias chest_belt -> chest_strap, or
b) we come up with an actual rule for applying them and put it in the wikis
e.g. chest_strap must have a buckle, must be a closed loop, and not be a harness. Anything else is chest_strap

There's also the issue of whether a chest_belt/strap can go below the breasts, e.g. post #4466610, or even lower post #4291499. I would suggest it has to be directly below and touching the breasts, and otherwise its just a belt

I usually tag Surtr posts with chest_belt and I think the majority of Aloe posts with chest_harness were tagged by me in an initial push when the tag was first created by.... Admiral Pectoral, I think it was? chest_strap on post #3787278 was put in by me before chest_harness was a thing since I couldn't figure out a better tag at the time.

Anyway, actual rules would be good. The definition that chest_belt should have a buckle at the very least and not be a harness sounds good.

Further, should we create a tag for sam_browne_belt? That's the diagonal chest belts you see on police and military uniforms (i.e. post #3535976). Should chest_belt and/or chest_strap also implicate framed_breasts under these new definitions? What about underbust?

Edit: On a side note, what about things like post #4245192? chest_harness for the inner belts, but the decorative suspenders-like belts?

In my opinion, Surtr should be tagged as chest_strap consistently, never chest_belt, because there's generally no buckle. mano_aloe should be tagged as chest_harness and nothing else.

Thanks for bringing up sam_browne_belt though. I also noticed from that wiki that there's also shoulder_belt and shoulder_strap, which I hadn't thought about originally. The sam_browne_belt wiki should be clarified so that its only tagged when it connects to a waist belt, and without a waist belt posts should just be shoulder_belt. Ideally, similar rules should apply to these two about buckles.

shoulder_belt seems to be tagged mainly when there is a belt crossing diagonally over the body like in a sam browne belt. But shoulder_strap gets tagged in at least three different ways: for diagonal belts (post #4229165), for the straps of shoulder_bags, (post #4177165, post #4196579), and for straps that encircle literally just the shoulder (post #4326725, post #4440498). The first usage seems correct if there is no buckle, but should the other two also be included in this tag? I think the straps of shoulder bags should definitely not be under this tag, as they're not clothing. The third way, just the shoulder, could arguably get its own tag though: if chest_belt and chest_strap are the same thing except for the buckle, then shoulder_strap and shoulder_belt should be the same: diagonal crossing the torso, and post #4440498 should get a different tag. That said, it would be a tiny tag, and it wouldn't be too messy to through it in with shoulder_belt.

shoulder_strap also is sometimes mistagged when it should just be strap_slip or spaghetti_straps, that should go in its wiki.

There's a bunch of posts under chest_belt/strap that should definitely be tagged shoulder_belt instead, but that's easy to fix.

-1 to the implications, there are chest_straps that don't frame the breasts.

under_bust though, raises some questions about straps that are tightly underneath the breasts? I would think they could be tagged e.g. with chest_belt and under_bust, but it also seems like under_bust is usually for clothing thats more substantial than just a belt so maybe not.

post #4245192 I'm thinking would be chest_harness + chest_strap for the long diagonal straps + chest_belt for the short vertical piece + belt or maybe garter_belt for what's touching her midriff.

Here's my suggestions for the wikis:

sam_browne_belt add the following to the last line:

The diagonal belt should connect to a horizontal belt at the waist. A diagonal belt by itself should be tagged as shoulder_belt

chest_belt:

Any belt that is worn on top of clothing or that is part of clothing, that crosses a character's chest.

Must have a buckle, a strap with no buckle should be tagged as chest_strap. If the belt is part of a chest_harness, just use that tag alone, unless there is a separate belt not connected to the chest_harness. If the belt crosses the torso diagonally, from above one shoulder to the waist, it is a shoulder_belt.

If the belt is directly underneath the breasts and touching them, consider adding underbust. If it is not directly under the breasts, use belt instead.

chest_strap:

Any strap that is worn on top of clothing or that is part of clothing, that crosses a character's chest.

This does not include belts with buckles, a belt with a buckle should be tagged as chest_belt. If the strap is part of a chest_harness, just use that tag alone, unless there is a separate strap not connected to the chest_harness. If the strap crosses the torso diagonally, from above one shoulder to the waist, it is a shoulder_strap.

If the strap is directly underneath the breasts and touching them, consider adding underbust. If it is not directly under the breasts, use belt instead.

shoulder_belt:

A belt worn over the shoulder and across the chest, most often as part of a military_uniform.

If it connects to a belt around the waist, it is a sam_browne_belt. For a strap without a buckle, use shoulder_strap.

shoulder_strap:

A strap worn over the shoulder and across the chest.

If it has a buckle, use shoulder_belt. Should not be used for straps of purses, or for spaghetti_straps.