Should male playboy bunny be used with playboy bunny?

The way we deal with male variant tags is not very consistent (see mature male/female and female/male pubic hair).
So I was curious about how we should handle the male playboy bunny tag.

I don't think it's a good idea to mix two fetish tags with very different demographics.

I didn't realise there was a male tag for this. So, I shouldn't tag males with playboy bunny at all and use the male tag version only?

Literally, they are two different tags and should not be linked.
playboy bunny

A character wearing a Playboy bunny outfit, also known as a "bunnysuit" or a "bunny girl".

male playboy bunny

A boy, especially an otoko no ko, crossdressing as a Playboy bunny.

However, if you do a search, you can see that this distinction is ignored.
playboy_bunny male_focus & etc.

If we want to distinguish between these tags in order to simplify the search without a premium account, then we will have to rename the established "female tag" with the creation of an alias.
Otherwise, the meaning is lost in a separate "male tag" without connection with the used "female tag". It is quite possible to search for "playboy bunny" with other "male tags". It turns out that it includes a subset of other tags.

Dolmatov said:

Literally, they are two different tags and should not be linked.
playboy bunny

male playboy bunny

However, if you do a search, you can see that this distinction is ignored.
playboy_bunny male_focus & etc.

It's ignored because it makes very little sense. All these wikis were written before the surge of male-focussed art.
Otoko no kos are another fetish tag that goes along with playboy bunny.

However, playboy bunny shouldn't contain images of bara-bordering males.

Just my 2 cents, but if there is a separate tag for males (which I'm not against), I think it's easier to just use it for all males, no matter how manly or "girly" they are. You can always just use -bara when searching, for example?

I thought that Playboy Bunny is a pretty well known concept that everyone would rather associate with Female Playboy Bunnys. In this case I don't think we need a more specific tag like in cases of "pubic hair" or "mature", because the big difference is, that anyone can have pubic hair or being mature. A playboy bunny outfit is something I would rather count as "female" even without a proper indication.
I think it would be bad to mix playboy bunny with male playboy bunnys or make a umbrella tag for both cases.
The only problem is otoko no ko for sure, because these are for sure males, but they do exist, because people want to search for feminin boys. In any case I would rather tag any otoko no ko image with male playboy bunny and playboy bunny because I do think that the average playboy bunny searcher does want to see those cases. They just don't want to see bara or specific male focus art I guess.

As always the first solution would be to make an utility alias from playboy_bunny_(male) to male_playboy_bunny.

To be honest, I really don't care if it gets implied or not, all I want to do is resolve the tagging inconsistency.

I don't know much about playboy bunny philosophy, but I know that men who wear that outfit and art of that exist.
Either way, I think it's ridiculous to say an outfit tag should not be used for certain body types.

If wikis are outdated then we just need to update them. I've been trying my best to do that for the past 3 years I've been on here, but one man can only do so much.

90sAnimeFan said:

I didn't realize there was a male tag for this. So, I shouldn't tag males with playboy bunny at all and use the male tag version only?

Tags that start with "male" are almost always not very intuitive.
Maybe we could use a playboy_bunny_(male) alias...

From a casual look most male playboy bunny are dressed in the classic female outfit, but there are also shirtless variants (with thong, pants, classic pantyhose, etc.) and chippendale outfit hybrids thrown in. And some tuxedos, including cropped and full.

Personally I wouldn't mind an implication, since some female characters also wear the tux variants (albeit it being much rarer relative to postcount), though after reading Provence's and Guaro's posts I've reconsidered things a bit because it might not be what people are looking for when they're searching for fetish stuff.

I believe male playboy bunny should have all males, not just otoko no ko, so the wiki should be updated.

I think we should make a female playboy bunny tag and implicate both it and male playboy bunny to an umbrella playboy bunny tag. I'm not convinced by the argument that the demographics are too different. It's exactly the same concept; both genders wear the same costume, so the searcher will always get what they asked for. Let people use the existing blacklist tools such as male_focus, 1boy multiple_boys -otoko_no_ko, or the existing male playboy bunny tag if they're terrified by the idea of searching for playboy bunny and having a 2.7% chance of seeing a male character given the 35* tag count difference.

NNescio said:

From a casual look most male playboy bunny are dressed in the classic female outfit, but there are also shirtless variants (with thong, pants, classic pantyhose, etc.) and chippendale outfit hybrids thrown in. And some tuxedos, including cropped and full.

Personally I wouldn't mind an implication, since some female characters also wear the tux variants (albeit it being much rarer relative to postcount), though after reading Provence's and Guaro's posts I've reconsidered things a bit because it might not be what people are looking for when they're searching for fetish stuff.

Honestly my preference (which I've mentioned once before when the tag was first proposed) would be for male playboy bunny to exclusively refer to the male variants of the costume that you mention, and base the tag on outfit rather than character's gender. Kind of like how bride and groom work. Though using the male tag for men crossdressing in the standard female outfit is so ingrained I guess there's no changing that at this point. The only thing I'd be completely against is forcing otoko no ko in standard female outfit to be tagged male playboy bunny only. I don't want to have to do a separate search to find something like post #1966368.

EB said:

Honestly my preference (which I've mentioned once before when the tag was first proposed) would be for male playboy bunny to exclusively refer to the male variants of the costume that you mention, and base the tag on outfit rather than character's gender. Kind of like how bride and groom work. Though using the male tag for men crossdressing in the standard female outfit is so ingrained I guess there's no changing that at this point. The only thing I'd be completely against is forcing otoko no ko in standard female outfit to be tagged male playboy bunny only. I don't want to have to do a separate search to find something like post #1966368.

I'm fine with this approach.

I don't think making up rules that can only be understood by reading the wiki will lead us to a proper solution.

The only real solutions I can see working are to use the male playboy bunny for all males and leave the original tag for females only like we do for mature male/female
or make a new female playboy bunny tag just like we did for dark skin and pubic hair and have both tags imply the original one.

Otherwise we'll keep getting mistags.

Admiral_Pectoral said:

I don't think making up rules that can only be understood by reading the wiki will lead us to a proper solution.

The only real solutions I can see working are to use the male playboy bunny for all males and leave the original tag for females only like we do for mature male/female
or make a new female playboy bunny tag just like we did for dark skin and pubic hair and have both tags imply the original one.

Otherwise we'll keep getting mistags.

This. Either all males should be tagged with male playboy bunny but not playboy bunny, or it becomes a subset tag that implies the main one. Middle grounds make no sense.
Making up rules with edge cases and corollaries nobody will care about will just end up like the mess we had with short hair, where technically it didn't apply to males but nobody cared about that asinine rule so people tagged them with it anyway.

I prefer the absolutist option where male portrayals are excluded from the main playboy bunny tag. If you ask me, it's best to keep the tags confined to the appropriate genders portrayed. Even I wouldn't want works depicting male bunny outfits showing up on the playboy bunny tag proper.

That's the thing—we're still going to get mistags. The regular playboy_bunny tag currently is ambiguous, which is the entire reason this thread was made in the first place. Even if we say here that it should be exclusively used for females, the tag name doesn't necessarily indicate this. It would have to be put in the wiki, which we all agree nobody reads in the first place. The only ways I could see this being self evident is either making this the standard treatment for every single male/female tag on the site (which would require changing dark_skin and pubic_hair to be consistent) or renaming it something like playboy_bunny_(NO DUDES!!!!), which is stupid. Having a male, female and neutral tag would solve this, because even the most ignorant of uploaders wouldn't put a man under the female_playboy_bunny tag. It would also make it easier for people to search for women and otoko no ko in the same search.

In short: Create female_playboy_bunny, use playboy_bunny as neuter tag.

BUR #6600 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias playboy_bunny_(male) -> male_playboy_bunny

The usual autocomplete alias for tags that start with "male" like male cleavage.

The bulk update request #6600 (forum #193536) has been approved by @nonamethanks.