How futanari/implied futanari/gender tags are applied re: pool 17709

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I'm looking for opinions regarding how these posts should be tagged, specifically the seventh and 13th in the pool.

pool #17709 (NSFW)

Relevant information:

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implied futanari:

... whether related pictures have a penis showing or not, ... aren't relevant.

topic #15852

@evazion said:
Tag what you see means "don't tag based on outside knowledge". It doesn't mean you can't make reasonable assumptions about what you see inside an image. If all you see is a disembodied penis, the most reasonable assumption is that it belongs to a guy.

Otherwise it means things like post #535307 (very NSFW) can't be tagged as yaoi, because hey, we can't see who the penis is attached to, maybe it could be a girl penis. No, you tag what you see, and based on what you see in this image it's yaoi.

It follows that if 1boy + disembodied penis is yaoi, then 1girl + disembodied penis is hetero. Hetero and yaoi should be tagged the same way.

post #4775915:
The two characters are readily identifiable, are canonically both girls and there's nothing to suggest genderswap. Even though a penis is not explicitly visible, I still think the numerous used condoms are enough to make the use of implied futanari incorrect. That the next picture shows a penis is irrelevant.

post #4775916:
This is where things get tricky. Only HK416 is identifiable. While more than a disembodied penis is present, what Evazion said (DON'T use outside information, DO use reasonable assumptions) still seems to apply. This reasoning suggests the tags M16A1, 2girls, futanari, and futa with female are incorrect, and instead should be 1boy, 1girl, and hetero.

This assumes that the idea on implied futanari, that "whether related pictures have a penis showing or not, ... aren't relevant" applies to tags in general. Specifically, that the preceding picture in the pool has M16A1 in it isn't relevant to whether this picture does. Contrariwise, I think there's a good argument to be made on the basis of narrative continuity, that this "related pictures" concept doesn't, or possibly shouldn't, apply to character tags in pictures which depict subsequent events. Under this logic, the tags are correct as they are.

I'm not advocating one viewpoint or the other, I just want to learn what people's thoughts are on this.

post #4775922:
This was tagged with implied futanari by the uploader and a subsequent user tagged 1boy hetero, so either way there's a conflict to be resolved. Implied_futanari means "a girl who might have a penis attached". It does not mean "a penis that might have a girl attached", so I think out of these three posts this tag is the most questionable. Even though this doesn't fit the definition of disembodied_penis, I think basically everything Evazion said is applicable here.

implied futanari has had a very bad track record because of people insisting to make extremely stupid assumptions when tagging. See topic #19324 for the full context, stuff like post #4419893 kept being tagged as implied futanari because "technically you can't see the penis". It's frankly baffling and it's unlike anything I've ever seen on this site, it really makes me question what's the point of the tagging system when I see shit like this.

Even after I rewrote the wiki for implied futanari, right now it's being used for basically any picture of obvious penetration where there's no visible genitals. Stuff like post #4776354, post #4694588, post #4646681 gets constantly tagged with implied futanari no matter how often it's reverted.

For that specific pool I just went ahead with the modern usage of the tag, but I can guarantee you that if you removed the tag from it someone else would just readd it. Frankly I consider implied futanari a lost cause of a tag at this point. I'd be for nuking anything under futanari implied_futanari (ie, all examples where futa with male/futa with female was used) and just starting from scratch.

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