BUR #7081 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create alias shirtless -> topless_male
This is apparently how it is intended to be used. Calling it shirtless will just mean people who don't read wikis (read: everyone) will use it instead of no shirt.
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BUR #7081 has been approved by @nonamethanks.
create alias shirtless -> topless_male
This is apparently how it is intended to be used. Calling it shirtless will just mean people who don't read wikis (read: everyone) will use it instead of no shirt.
Bare pectorals exists as well.
Unbreakable said:
Bare pectorals exists as well.
Oh right, there's that odd split. Changing vote to meh until we can figure out what to do with this.
Turn topless_male into an umbrella tag and include bare pectorals? Or keep them separate and alias shirtless to shirtless male instead?
Wait, maybe not an alias?
I feel like shirtless could be used to search for combos like naked jacket but with underwear.
Username_Hidden said:
Wait, maybe not an alias?
I feel like shirtless could be used to search for combos like naked jacket but with underwear.
That kind of thing is what I would assume no_shirt is for, but I just checked the wiki and recent examples for it and that tag is a mess. That's a discussion for another thread.
I'm glad this tag along with bare pectorals is getting more attention. I've always felt like they could use more clarification but never got the time to go through with it both wikis really confused me the first time I came across them too...
AngryZapdos said:
That kind of thing is what I would assume no_shirt is for, but I just checked the wiki and recent examples for it and that tag is a mess. That's a discussion for another thread.
Not to mention that the wiki mentions that it's a tag only for females which is stupid with a tag name like that.
BUR #7082 has been rejected.
mass update topless -clothed_animal -clothed_pokemon -no_humans -1other -multiple_others -> topless_female
create implication topless_female -> topless
I'd also like to submit this BUR, for several reasons.
If the above BUR is approved then we will end up with topless and topless_male, both exclusive to a gender. However, an issue should be immediately obvious - topless at first glance appears to be a parent tag. I can see a number of users who will (rightfully) assume this and use topless on any topless_male post for that reason, and creating topless_female and actually using topless as a parent tag will negate this issue completely.
There is also a separate problem for 1other characters or clothed animals in that when they are pictured as topless/shirtless, there is no correct answer to "how do I tag this?" - because all of our topless/shirtless tags are gendered to either males or females, they don't apply to genderless or animal characters. This issue will exist even if the above BUR is not approved; in fact, it already exists now. However, by having a topless parent tag we can simply use that on its own. I'm ambivalent as to whether we really need a topless_other tag, so I've left it out of the BUR. If there's demand for it I can add another line to populate topless_other.
I can't include the line "create implication topless_male -> topless" before the above BUR is approved, so I'll add it when that happens.
Updated
The clause "If the outfit never required a shirt in the first place, male characters should be tagged with bare pectorals, underwear only or other appropriate tags instead." in the shirtless wiki is stupid and should be discarded. Those tags might as well be merged if that's the only difference between the two. Feel free to open a separate topic about it.
I was against it at first too, but he provided two valid reasons why we should have it. I don't see the "unnecessary" part.
Though I guess if we really don't care about the 1other characters, we can just do the topless female alias.
NNescio said:
Oh right, there's that odd split. Changing vote to meh until we can figure out what to do with this.
Turn topless_male into an umbrella tag and include bare pectorals? Or keep them separate and alias shirtless to shirtless male instead?
I think that's simple to explain. With shirtless matching the use of topless, bare pectorals will just be used the same way as breasts outside, without any of the nonsense on the wiki.
The bulk update request #7081 (forum #196093) has been approved by @nonamethanks.
With this BUR being approved, I think we should start discussing what to do with the wikis of the tag itself and others like bare pectorals, underwear only and no shirt.
There are probably other wikis that mention something along the lines of this:
From the underwear only wiki
If the character is male, similar tags are not needed as male underwear typically does not include a top.
And topless definitely needs to be renamed to topless female to prevent mistags.
BUR #7175 has been rejected.
create alias topless -> topless_female
An alternative option without making topless an umbrella tag.
I think people used to searching for topless will be pretty annoyed when their tag suddenly starts getting flooded with shirtless males. I think it's unlikely that people will actually want topless girls and shirtless guys to be in the same search, regardless of the existence of in-between cases.
And the difference between topless and shirtless isn't really our doing, it's the English language. If you Google Image search topless versus shirtless, you'll see that topless is almost always for women and shirtless is almost always for men.
evazion said:
I think people used to searching for topless will be pretty annoyed when their tag suddenly starts getting flooded with shirtless males. I think it's unlikely that people will actually want topless girls and shirtless guys to be in the same search, regardless of the existence of in-between cases.
And the difference between topless and shirtless isn't really our doing, it's the English language. If you Google Image search topless versus shirtless, you'll see that topless is almost always for women and shirtless is almost always for men.
Agreed.