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Alias leek -> spring_onion

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nonamethanks said:

Well nobody has bothered to garden these tags in a month, and the absolute vast majority of spring onion is just Miku's classic leek, and this alias worked fine for years, and leek has a grand total of 8 posts, so I guess I'm just aliasing these two together again to avoid having users get confused when they search for miku + leek and find nothing where there should be thousands of posts.

Is that accurate? The tag history would suggest that luntoer was periodically gardening the leek tag and did so as recently as today. Although it also does show the tag is just getting refilled with the Japanese negi depictions, so without the regular gardening the tag would just fall back to being flooded again with non-leeks.

Only 8 posts got moved by this alias, most of which I don't think anyone can be 100% sure about.

There's a lot of confusion floating around in this thread, and it took me a while to parse this. It's like if one side was arguing that chihuahuas are dogs, and the other was arguing that no, german shepherds are dogs.
Both the small grass-like green-colored onion stalks and the huge negi/daepa are the exact same species of plant, which is why they're both called spring onion. The only difference is that the asian varieties are longer and thicker and look like a leek in 99% of cases because of regional hijinks.
post #5476589, post #5033627, post #5471680, post #5410593 are examples of this. Actual western spring onion looks more like grass than leek: https://youtu.be/cZzyAZnTADo?t=66

So tl;dr what I think happened: the original person who suggested dealiasing the two had in mind the western spring onion, not realizing that we are using the term as in "japanese spring onion" or "asian spring onion" or whatever you want to call it, which is just "thick green onion branches that look identical to leek", because we are a site primarly focused on japanese content and most "spring onion" content is going to be leek-like asian variants because that's where the artists are from and that's what they know. This alias is not wrong, it's just prone to confusion because both the small western varieties and the large thick japanese varieties are called "spring onion" but only one of them looks exactly like a leek.
The eastern definition of spring onion is also what was being used by gardeners recently, which is why nothing was changing and the tag is effectively still being used for "leeks and eastern spring onions".

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Double post, but this is reminding me a lot of the hatchet mess (forum #197595). The technical solutions would be to have a tag called negi for the actual asian variety and leek aliased to it, and spring onion or welsh onion for the small stalk version, but it seems like a solution that would not satisfy anyone because of years of memes and ievan polkka being associated with spring onions/leeks.

nonamethanks said:

Well nobody has bothered to garden these tags in a month, and the absolute vast majority of spring onion is just Miku's classic leek, and this alias worked fine for years, and leek has a grand total of 8 posts, so I guess I'm just aliasing these two together again to avoid having users get confused when they search for miku + leek and find nothing where there should be thousands of posts.

That's the thing, what Miku carries is a spring onion, not a leek. It's only the English-speaking fandom that erroneously calls it a leek for various reasons. I've been watching over this tag for the past month. There were only 8 pics of leeks because there were legitimately only 8 pictures of leeks.

EDIT: Though I guess with this alias it doesn't really do much harm in that case. I just felt a bit miffed at the implication that I wasn't gardening the tags as promised.

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nonamethanks said:

How can you say for sure that post #4731179 or post #5476589 are leeks and not spring onions?

Well I did actually update post #5476589 to spring onion. I probably would've done the same to the other one too but might've missed it because I don't usually look at rating:q/e posts.

Just to clarify, my personal priority was to make sure spring onions are tagged as spring onion and not leek. I'm less concerned on whether leek is tagged as leek or spring onion, so this aliasing actually works fine for me. Again, I was just miffed at the implication that I wasn't gardening the tags as I said I would.

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