nonamethanks said:
When you're all done circlejerking and patting each other in the back because you're better than everyone else, you're free to start posting actual arguments, otherwise this thread will be locked.
Yes please.
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nonamethanks said:
Yeah, there's a clip where Bridget says he's a man too: https://twitter.com/Furious_blog/status/1556734225831063552. This meltdown is pretty funny at this point.
This clip has been disproven a while back. https://twitter.com/kitkatfox87/status/1557211872222334977
blindVigil said:
What? Okay, but, blacklisting penis would also hide hetero posts, you realize? Just because someone is doing a search with girls as the focal point doesn't mean they explicitly don't want any of those posts featuring men as well.
Ohhhhh what will the user do when they find futanari and realize it's two women dicking each other down... Don't even want to think about otoko_no_ko.
Since when are we prioritizing people beating it in this site? Isn't this supposed to be an imageboard to organize, classify and demonstrate/display art? Getting into a 8-page discussion for something as minimal as a character transitioning and the request for a tag change shows a very different focus than to just tag art correctly.
Kamsthetics said:
Ohhhhh what will the user do when they find futanari and realize it's two women dicking each other down... Don't even want to think about otoko_no_ko.
Since when are we prioritizing people beating it in this site? Isn't this supposed to be an imageboard to organize, classify and demonstrate/display art? Getting into a 8-page discussion for something as minimal as a character transitioning and the request for a tag change shows a very different focus than to just tag art correctly.
Ugh, just blacklist futanari. It's more reasonable than blacklisting penis in this specific example.
And honestly, I don't think we would have a 8-page discussion and three past topics about the same subject if this is was a simple and easy matter as you're describing.
How is there eight pages of this debate? A boy's a boy. It doesn't matter what his lines in the game are.
Just keep tagging him with what he is as has been done from the very start.
Changing it makes as little sense as tagging Yakumo Yukari as a loli when she's drawn wearing a randoseru.
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Kamsthetics said:
Ohhhhh what will the user do when they find futanari and realize it's two women dicking each other down... Don't even want to think about otoko_no_ko.
Since when are we prioritizing people beating it in this site? Isn't this supposed to be an imageboard to organize, classify and demonstrate/display art? Getting into a 8-page discussion for something as minimal as a character transitioning and the request for a tag change shows a very different focus than to just tag art correctly.
Pretty sure I said hetero, but yes that would block futanari too.
I mean, yeah, Danbooru is that, but in case you didn't notice, that art we're "classifying, organizing, and displaying" includes porn. Should people have to jump through hoops to not have to see yaoi art when they're trying to search for girls? Like, jeez, if you're gonna argue in bad faith, at least read what you're replying to properly.
Kamsthetics said:
Ohhhhh what will the user do when they find futanari and realize it's two women dicking each other down... Don't even want to think about otoko_no_ko.
Since when are we prioritizing people beating it in this site? Isn't this supposed to be an imageboard to organize, classify and demonstrate/display art? Getting into a 8-page discussion for something as minimal as a character transitioning and the request for a tag change shows a very different focus than to just tag art correctly.
We've long considered it a priority, as it's relevant to a significant portion of our userbase and our tag system. That's why we're trying to find a solution that would, among other things, work well for both searching and blacklisting purposes.
Let's try to keep things productive. Some people have expressed doubts that a transgender rework could be pulled off, due to the amount of people willing to argue about inclusion over totally spurious headcanons. I think it would be helpful to more consistently document the most widely accepted canon on respective characters' wiki pages, and crack down a little harder on people trying to use unsourced "well I personally read it as XYZ" statements as a reason for anything. This would require some specific research work, but hell, people populate things like list of airplanes all the time.
Astolfo said:
That may be so, but I'd still want to see those otoko no ko characters when I'm searching for 1boy, not when I'm searching 1girl. Outside of explicitly genderswapped art like post #3360941, having characters like Astolfo, Venti or Ansel show up in a 1girl solo search would defy absolutely all logic as far as I'm concerned, no matter how convincingly female the artist has drawn them.
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that people don't usually go to 1boy expecting otoko_no_ko characters. Never did I say that otoko_no_ko should be under 1girl, in fact I disagree with that notion. Astolfo, Venti, and Ansel aren't trans, they're just ... femboys.
kittey said:
FYI, that search probably has so few results because I regularly clean out otoko_no_ko -1boy -multiple_boys -gender_request -character_doll -mug_writing -dakimakura_(object) -manga_(object) status:any -rating:e. (Someone feel free to clean the explicit ones.)
Doing god's work, lol
sadodere said:
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that people don't usually go to 1boy expecting otoko_no_ko characters.
I think you're very mistaken in that claim. When I search for boys, it's because I want boys, including feminine boys. It doesn't make sense to need to have two separate searches for that. Especially since the limit of exactly how much of a trap a boy needs to be to earn the tag is subjective, so it might not even be predictable which search would return a given image.
anon7631 said:
I think you're very mistaken in that claim. When I search for boys, it's because I want boys, including feminine boys. It doesn't make sense to need to have two separate searches for that. Especially since the limit of exactly how much of a trap a boy needs to be to earn the tag is subjective, so it might not even be predictable which search would return a given image.
You're also misunderstanding. I am not saying otoko_no_ko characters should have their own gender tag. They should still be put under 1boy, yes. But what OP is talking about is transgender characters, not otoko_no_ko characters. Two different things. Never have I said otoko_no_ko should be under 1girl. Where is the disconnect?
Tag what you see. It's pointless to be a in a situation where searching 1girl gets your results of a boy getting dicked by anal. Tagging this as a girl defeats the purpose of those who actually want to see it and those who don't.
dijiko said:
Tag what you see. It's pointless to be a in a situation where searching 1girl gets your results of a boy getting dicked by anal. Tagging this as a girl defeats the purpose of those who actually want to see it and those who don't.
It has already been said we would exclude pictures specifically showing genitalia of any kind. Like post #5579574, post #5579034, post #5576879, post #5577033... literally any post under bridget_(guilty_gear) rating:general...
sadodere said:
You're also misunderstanding. I am not saying otoko_no_ko characters should have their own gender tag. They should still be put under 1boy, yes. But what OP is talking about is transgender characters, not otoko_no_ko characters. Two different things. Never have I said otoko_no_ko should be under 1girl. Where is the disconnect?
All I said was I disagree with your claim that people using the 1boy tag aren't expecting otoko_no_ko.
As for OP's debate, it's the same thing. The 1boy tag should include all boys, including boys like Bridget.
if people really insist on a tag based on his line in the new game, then why not just tag him with the 1boy otoko_no_ko transgender combination and then everyone's satisfied?
anon7631 said:
All I said was I disagree with your claim that people using the 1boy tag aren't expecting otoko_no_ko.
As for OP's debate, it's the same thing. The 1boy tag should include all boys, including boys like Bridget.
if people really insist on a tag based on his line in the new game, then why not just tag him with the 1boy otoko_no_ko transgender combination and then everyone's satisfied?
If Bridget isn't a boy though.... that is what OP is bringing up. If Bridget is in fact a girl, she should be tagged as a girl, no? And if no penis is in the picture, of course.
sadodere said:
It has already been said we would exclude pictures specifically showing genitalia of any kind. Like post #5579574, post #5579034, post #5576879, post #5577033... literally any post under bridget_(guilty_gear) rating:general...
It doesn't make sense to give the same character opposite tags depending on whether there's enough of a bulge seen to count as visible genitalia, when it's known the bulge is there either way.
sadodere said:
You're also misunderstanding. I am not saying otoko_no_ko characters should have their own gender tag. They should still be put under 1boy, yes. But what OP is talking about is transgender characters, not otoko_no_ko characters. Two different things. Never have I said otoko_no_ko should be under 1girl. Where is the disconnect?
Doesn't really change that you claimed that anyone using 1boy is only looking for "masculine" characters. Besides being a broadstroke unverifiable claim, it's not unreasonable to interpret that as saying otoko no ko shouldn't show up in a search using 1boy, especially since in that same exact message you said "Personally, I still think it wouldn't hurt to have the 1girl tag for images where you can't see the bulge/penis/etc. Makes stuff easier that way." Yes, the subject at the time was Bridget, who may or may not be trans, but you immediately followed up that line by bringing up otoko no ko and how people looking for boys wouldn't be expecting to see feminine boys.
I honestly don't even see how the 1girl point and the otoko no ko point even relate, if that isn't what you were saying. It just looks like a non sequitur.
anon7631 said:
It doesn't make sense to give the same character opposite tags depending on whether there's enough of a bulge seen to count as visible genitalia, when it's known the bulge is there either way.
But it isn't there in every picture. That's what's being mentioned here. And if someone is unfamiliar with Bridget, there is a 98% chance they'd tag under 1girl anyways. TWYS isn't ideal, but it's such a common thing on this website. I do think that canon tagging is okay though, despite what some people may think of it.
sadodere said:
If Bridget isn't a boy though.... that is what OP is bringing up. If Bridget is in fact a girl, she should be tagged as a girl, no? And if no penis is in the picture, of course.
What? No, Bridget being a boy is the whole reason the debate exists. If he were a girl there would be no conflict.
blindVigil said:
Doesn't really change that you claimed that anyone using 1boy is only looking for "masculine" characters. Besides being a broadstroke unverifiable claim, it's not unreasonable to interpret that as saying otoko no ko shouldn't show up in a search using 1boy, especially since in that same exact message you said "Personally, I still think it wouldn't hurt to have the 1girl tag for images where you can't see the bulge/penis/etc. Makes stuff easier that way." Yes, the subject at the time was Bridget, who may or may not be trans, but you immediately followed up that line by bringing up otoko no ko and how people looking for boys wouldn't be expecting to see feminine boys.
I honestly don't even see how the 1girl point and the otoko no ko point even relate, if that isn't what you were saying. It just looks like a non sequitur.
I was talking about Bridget only, as you said. This isn't the exact same as Astolfo, or whatever... please don't pick apart my argument like that. You're painting a narrative there. I have made it clear that otoko_no_ko should be under 1boy. And I mentioned otoko_no_ko because it had been mentioned a few times prior by someone who doesn't know what it is.
As for the 1girl thing, I mistakenly thought it was the other user who mentioned that earlier who replied.
This has nothing to do with the argument, though. Enough about me now. I meant if someone was looking for only otoko_no_ko specifically, they would look up otoko_no_ko and not just 1boy.