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Would a streetwear tag be worth making?

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A while back I was surprised to discover that there was no umbrella tag for streetwear/hypebeast fashion, only tags for specific brands. The fashion tag isn't very useful for finding posts of that fashion style as it's an ambiguous tag and filled with a mix of streetwear, high fashion/runway stuff, formalwear, gothic lolita, and things like post #5393074.

I made a favgroup about a year ago with posts I thought would apply to a streetwear tag (favgroup:12788), but after looking back at it I found that it may be a bit too broad for a tag. Anybody have any thoughts on whether it's worth tagging?

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I have no opinion on the matter one way or the other, but I am reminded of when I briefly looked into Japanese subcultural fashion a while back. I was mainly looking into gyarus at the time, but among the info I sifted through, I ran into this:

Taking inspiration from the streetwear savvy dressers of the US, Street Kei is the Japanese incarnation of classic street fashion typically most popular with guys. Think skate, basketball, and hip-hop culture blended with the Japanese eye for detail. Designer sneakers are a key element to the Street Kei movement. You could say that this subculture has a lot of crossover with the hypebeast styles of the US. You'll see Street Kei boys lining up outside Supreme and Comme des Garcons outlets ready to cop the hottest new releases.

Looking up γ‚ΉγƒˆγƒͺγƒΌγƒˆη³» does give you streetwear/hypebeast-esque fashion in Japan, but it seems to be a term with a longer legacy based on Pixpedia's article on the matter.

Damian0358 said:

Looking up γ‚ΉγƒˆγƒͺγƒΌγƒˆη³» does give you streetwear/hypebeast-esque fashion in Japan, but it seems to be a term with a longer legacy based on Pixpedia's article on the matter.

It does seem to be more or less equivalent to western streetwear for tagging purposes, though it seems the term street-kei is also used to refer to certain custom motorcycle styles.

testingmmmmm said:

+1 not every tag needs to be as concrete and dull as orange scrunchie: the more abstract meaning there is in a single tag the better for seaches.

If i may be the dull person: i get what you mean, however we've already had many tags nuked for being too broad or vague.

That said, i wouldn't be against it, although i feel it would overlap a bit with contemporary it is a specific vibe.
(And on the same note - someone made a techwear tag, but it's very small and wiki-less. Would it be worth to keep?)

Username_Hidden said:

(And on the same note - someone made a techwear tag, but it's very small and wiki-less. Would it be worth to keep?)

I can see the utility of techwear, as like streetwear it's a specific vibe (I remember it being referred to as street ninja a lot a few years ago, but the term seems to have faded), but the current tag seems to have been underpopulated when it was made.

It also has quite a few mistags like post #5240621 (military costume), post #3414126 (standard trendy clothes), and post #4496106 (more punk). If we did keep and populate the tag, this figma and this image are good examples of what should be tagged. Example posts: post #4370541, post #3676319, post #5512190

Username_Hidden said:

If i may be the dull person: i get what you mean, however we've already had many tags nuked for being too broad or vague.

It's not that anybody is to blame but we repeat ourselves outdated and ludicrous mantras about how image description should be done. Most of them have been nuked for a mix of different reasons: they may have been fancruft, no one would take care of them, they were completely uninteresting, etc. Yet the "we can only hope to tag atomic objects and everything else is ambiguous" mantra has always been there but it doesn't actually make any sense beyond us being lazy and dismissive.

Take onee-shota for example: it is a broad tag, an abstract tag, if it had been proposed earlier you would have been hit with "just use shota age_difference hetero bro". Yet it is superior in usage and concept to the mishmash of atomic tags and no one's penis fell off due to its existence.

Username_Hidden said:

(And on the same note - someone made a techwear tag, but it's very small and wiki-less. Would it be worth to keep?)

I would rather forget about it and go from general to specific first. It appears to be a subset of streetwear and it is already hard for me to distinguish. No this doesn't undermine what I wrote formerly it's my knowledge of fashion what's lacking here.

testingmmmmm said:

Take onee-shota for example: it is a broad tag, an abstract tag, if it had been proposed earlier you would have been hit with "just use shota age_difference hetero bro". Yet it is superior in usage and concept to the mishmash of atomic tags and no one's penis fell off due to its existence.

It was specifically explained why a shota age_difference search wouldn't work. It didn't include hetero in the search, but that wouldn't have addressed the problem with using shota to do the search, anyway. It would take at least 5 tags just to make the search work, at which point it's better off being its own tag. Besides, nothing about onee-shota is abstract. It's a young boy with an older woman in a romantic or sexual context. It couldn't be more straight forward.

blindVigil said:

It was specifically explained why a shota age_difference search wouldn't work.

Everything is told when an admin says it. If it had been explained less authoritatively it'd have been devil's advocated to hell and back I would know. I'm not complaining I'm just pointing out the hindsight nature of this argument.

It didn't include hetero in the search, but that wouldn't have addressed the problem with using shota to do the search, anyway. It would take at least 5 tags just to make the search work, at which point it's better off being its own tag.

Even if shota danbooru usage was ideal the belief that we can replicate it with an arbitrary search query is pure fantasy, in the same way you can't replicate the concept of streetwear with a monstrous query of different attire tags.

Besides, nothing about onee-shota is abstract. It's a young boy with an older woman in a romantic or sexual context. It couldn't be more straight forward.

I admit it's an exaggeration but valid in this context. Discerning a risque, sexual or romantic fashion requires more thought about the image than the rest of danbooru's atomic tags, even if it's just common sense. But in other cases even bara is argued as too vague. Again I get the feel things are so straightforward now when a clear wiki has been redacted, everyone shook hands and there's plentiful examples to get the hang of the tag. I want to make clear that I meant it as a positive example of how the community walked away from "1tag=1thing" idea or whatever we want to call it.

Analogously streetwear is not abstract yet not as concrete as tagging individual garments, and would be a superior descriptor of attire to the mishmash of its related tags.

testingmmmmm said:

and would be a superior descriptor of attire to the mishmash of its related tags.

There are no "related" tags though, there's currently no straightforward way to search for streetwear as far as i know. The tag wouldn't exist because it's easier, but because it's impossible to search otherwise.

Anyways, i opened this paragraph, and i'm going to be the one to propose to close it. This thread isn't about tagging philosophy but on whether a streetwear tag would be a good idea. We all seem to agree on the latter, let's now focus on making it concrete rather than derailing the thread and getting nothing done.

testingmmmmm said:

Good call. I say we:

  • put down a good enough definition
  • start tagging
  • debate specific posts last

I made the first draft of the wiki streetwear edits and improvements are welcome

I expanded on the wiki to include more information on the style, links to our tags for prominent brands, and a link to the wikipedia page. Added the tag to all of the posts from my favgroup, I'll go through contemporary and casual to populate it with any appropriate posts.

testingmmmmm said:

I need a bit of guidance regarding 3 posts: are they trendy enough to be regarded as streetwear? and which measure do we want to aim for

I would say the first two no, the third yes. My thoughts on streetwear is a modern-day outfit that's somewhat sporty or futuristic but not too much into either. The third one hits that, the other two just seem like normal casual clothing. (Though admittedly I'm not that much into streetwear.)

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