Orientation play tag request

Kommandant said:

double_grinding and nursing_handjob doesn't require context for tagging.

I have another tag that indeed requires context: blackmail. It requires the same amount of context you have to get to tag any image as orientation play.
Also, as I showed above, tag doesn't need cannon information to work. With some dialogue or actions you understand what is going on.
To manage even more. You can search 'uzumaki_naruto yaoi', but that search won't give you all the results of a character doing orientation play. It's a pretty bad way of searching for it, in fact, because most results will give you images you are not looking for. Even worse because you are limited of searching content of one character and not general characters in the site.

As a site with differences between rule34 people will use this site looking for that content by sure, so that's why I'm here with my petition. I'm gonna start tagging once approved.

I can think of exactly one image I’ve ever seen that would fall into that tag. Rather than debating the viability of the tag in a vacuum, make a favgroup, go put Nyantcha’s cock-addicted lesbian hypno gangbang picture into that favgroup, and find additional images. If you can find an actual use case past one wacky deviant picture, you’ll have a stronger stance.

Edit:
Having looked at the rule34 link now that I'm home, I think this may be more difficult than you think. Over half the images tagged on rule34 are clearly based only on canon. Some are even fanon or outright contrary to canon. And, honestly, almost none of them are Danbooru-quality anyway.

Ok, so I'll make a pool or a "favgroup" of it with (I hope) more than 50 images of orientation play and share it here.

It'll be a bit exhausting because I'm more active in other boorus. I wanted to see if I was able to approve it without needing of it. But well, I heard that approved tags here also get approved in gelbooru so it worth it.

Ok, so I just reached 30 orientation play images in my favgroup.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/favorite_groups/20240?page=1

Most Senki_zesshou_symphogear hetero images would be tagged as orientation play with the logic followed in rule34, but I picked the most obvious orientation play images with dialogues contributing to the context and images in were the girls seem to be raped or hypnotized. Also added one yaoi image and two crossdressing images to leave clear the contexts in which the tag should (arguably) be added.

I can make it bigger by sure, but it takes time.

We can discuss how the tag should be used here; if the image needs direct context on the image to be tagged as orientation play or we can tag images as orientation play only based on the canon. I'm fine with both options.

Based on R34's definition of the tag, many of the examples you've provided don't fit at all.

From R34's orientation play wiki:

When a character with a specific sexual orientation is notedly coupled with someone who doesn't match it.

Their orientation can be established in the piece or known from canon, but the piece has to draw attention to the fact that it's being disregarded in order to qualify. Something like a canonically straight character having gay sex does not qualify by itself.

Based on this, just being hypnotized or raped doesn't qualify, the tag only works if there's explicitly stated context

blindVigil said:

Based on R34's definition of the tag, many of the examples you've provided don't fit at all.

Based on this, just being hypnotized or raped doesn't qualify, the tag only works if there's explicitly stated context

Well, so most people is not being faithful to the tag in rule34. I just added based on rule34's logic (from what I've learned seeing orientation play images) and urban dictionary description.
so most images with dialogue in my favgroup are qualified I suppose. There's no need of copying the way rule34 describes orientation play too.

EyeViewer said:

Well, so most people is not being faithful to the tag in rule34. I just added based on rule34's logic (from what I've learned seeing orientation play images) and urban dictionary description.
so most images with dialogue in my favgroup are qualified I suppose. There's no need of copying the way rule34 describes orientation play too.

Danbooru works off of Tag what you see, not what you know so most of the images in your favgroup do not qualify because taggers nor users have enough information provided in the image to draw to the conclusion of "Orientation Play"
Two lesbians giving a man a BJ would not be enough to tag it as such. There is no indication that these two are an item without meta knowledge. All I see is two girls, who possibly have nothing to do with one another, licking the shaft of a man's penis. There is also post #4558944 which is borderline due to be tagged as NTR. The issue being played here is that while the chick is in relationship with the girl standing, she is clearly enjoying being ravaged by the man. How would draw up this up to Orientation play when the image shows that she may be a cheating bisexual?

Kommandant said:

Danbooru works off of Tag what you see, not what you know so most of the images in your favgroup do not qualify because taggers nor users have enough information provided in the image to draw to the conclusion of "Orientation Play"
Two lesbians giving a man a BJ would not be enough to tag it as such. There is no indication that these two are an item without meta knowledge. All I see is two girls, who possibly have nothing to do with one another, licking the shaft of a man's penis. There is also post #4558944 which is borderline due to be tagged as NTR. The issue being played here is that while the chick is in relationship with the girl standing, she is clearly enjoying being ravaged by the man. How would draw up this up to Orientation play when the image shows that she may be a cheating bisexual?

There's no need of thinking a lot of the girl being bisexual or a fake lesbian. The issue is that a lot of gay girls irl are not lesbian at all or suddenly feel attraction to a man despites being genuine lesbians (until certain point). But anyways, if you see that the girl in the back is crying due to a cheating so it's because she ever told that she was lesbian, not bisexual.
That's one of the points of orientation play after all. Characters discovering their real orientation via sex experiences.

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This doujin, as example, could be considered orientation play because the boy discovers his real orientation until he crossdresses as a girl.

Well, it seems that people want that tag being faithful to rule34's wiki so I'll make another favgroup more accurate than that one I made.

It seems to me that what you really want to tag here is a subset of netorare where the character is fucked silly to the point they're mindbroken or brainwashed into switching their sexual orientation, with a touch of netorare to fill all the hentai rape checkboxes. I don't disagree on whether it deserves its own tag, but "orientation play" is a pretty terrible name because it says nothing about the actual content being depicted, and because it's not "play" due to being forced or outside of the character's control in most cases.
At a minimum it should have the requirement of having dialogue showing that the mindbreak is happening, or some sequence of panels that makes it obvious.

EyeViewer said:

There's no need of thinking a lot of the girl being bisexual or a fake lesbian. The issue is that a lot of gay girls irl are not lesbian at all or suddenly feel attraction to a man despites being genuine lesbians (until certain point). But anyways, if you see that the girl in the back is crying due to a cheating so it's because she ever told that she was lesbian, not bisexual.

I probably shouldn't even get into this, but that bit about real women not actually being lesbians is deeply misogynistic. Why do we keep getting people who believe that gay women are only gay because they haven't found the right man to fuck them into being straight?

Regarding the line about cheating, I would imagine, as any sane person should, that if someone is crying over being cheated on, it's because they were cheated on, and not because their partner lied to them about their sexuality.

Well, it seems that people want that tag being faithful to rule34's wiki so I'll make another favgroup more accurate than that one I made.

It's not that I specifically want the tag to be used a certain way, I couldn't really care less if we adopt the tag or not. However, if we are going to adopt a tag used by other communities, then it's important to know how they use it. How other communities define the tag should factor into how we define the tag, to at least some extent. It's not a very useful tag if anyone familiar with it can't find what they expect to find with it because we're using it differently from how everyone else is using it.

The R34 definition, I feel, is actually the ideal way for us to use it. The way you seem to be suggesting we use it is heavily reliant on canon knowledge, which isn't how we tag things. Your way of using it would just include most of yuri, yaoi, and hetero. If context present within the image isn't mandatory, then you could put the tag on almost anything, which isn't useful.

blindVigil said:

I probably shouldn't even get into this, but that bit about real women not actually being lesbians is deeply misogynistic. Why do we keep getting people who believe that gay women are only gay because they haven't found the right man to fuck them into being straight?

Regarding the line about cheating, I would imagine, as any sane person should, that if someone is crying over being cheated on, it's because they were cheated on, and not because their partner lied to them about their sexuality.

It's not that I specifically want the tag to be used a certain way, I couldn't really care less if we adopt the tag or not. However, if we are going to adopt a tag used by other communities, then it's important to know how they use it. How other communities define the tag should factor into how we define the tag, to at least some extent. It's not a very useful tag if anyone familiar with it can't find what they expect to find with it because we're using it differently from how everyone else is using it.

The R34 definition, I feel, is actually the ideal way for us to use it. The way you seem to be suggesting we use it is heavily reliant on canon knowledge, which isn't how we tag things. Your way of using it would just include most of yuri, yaoi, and hetero. If context present within the image isn't mandatory, then you could put the tag on almost anything, which isn't useful.

One lesbian I knew told me that is lesbian but it could change in the future. Other lesbian told me that is not lesbian at all. One bisexual girl in youtube made a video of how she had a bad first lesbian relasionship. Most liked comment in the video said that first lesbian relasionships are always a shit.

I said that they are "genuine" lesbians to miss that kind of response. The reality is that a lot of lesbians are likely to suddenly feel attraction to men, overall when they are youth and haven't explored their orientation at all. I don't know what is the logic behind because I'm not psychologist, but that's how complex is psychology.

I said that hers partner was behind crying at the scene because she told that she was lesbian, otherwise, if she told she was bisexual, the girl wouldn't be crying in the back because "who has a relasionship with a bisexual without expecting that?".

I'm fine with the description of rule34 so. It'll take time though.

Look, this is a forum about tagging anime pictures, and nothing else. Nobody here cares about the justifications for your mindbreak fetish, so please stay on topic.

I'm not justifying nothing. If I have the opportunity to leave the things clear to miss disinformation I think the correct action is respond even if it doesn't pairs the goal of this forum.