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alias pinstripe_sweater -> ribbed_sweater

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create alias pinstripe_sweater -> ribbed_sweater

Essentially the same thing
I've already accidentally used the former a few times

Many ribbed sweater posts aren't ribbed in texture and just have a pinstripe pattern anyway (i.e. not knitted that way; stripes are printed on; though undertagged as post count for pinstripe_pattern ribbed_sweater : 38)
Open to reversing the alias or instead sorting posts out from ribbed sweater into the pinstripe sweater tag, but doesn't seem worth it. Ribbed sweater is a pretty old tag and closer to the JP Pixiv tags.

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i get that there are mistags but pinstripe pattern and ribbed definitely arent the same thing, especially for sweaters where a vast majority of searches would be for ribbed sweaters and not pinstriped ones.
If we keep that logic then we may as well do the same aliases for all other ribbed garments, and i wouldn't be in favor of that either

Can you give examples of ribbed sweaters that should in your opinion be tagged pinstripe instead?
The ones currently in pinstripe sweater rather look like they should be tagged as ribbed sweater instead. To be honest i dont even see what a pinstripe patterned sweater would look like, because its not something i can visualize being on a sweater, a pinstripe pattern is more something that coup be on finer fibers/clothing materials, not on any kind of knitwear

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@Mayhem-Chan said:

Can you give examples of ribbed sweaters that should in your opinion be tagged pinstripe instead?
The ones currently in pinstripe sweater rather look like they should be tagged as ribbed sweater instead. To be honest i dont even see what a pinstripe patterned sweater would look like, because its not something i can visualize being on a sweater, a pinstripe pattern is more something that coup be on finer fibers/clothing materials, not on any kind of knitwear

The fact they have thin vertical stripes makes it a pinstripe pattern, even if it's the ribbing/texture that generates the pinstripes. Even post #6037558 and post #6037197 have a pinstripe pattern. post #6006732 is a classic pinstripe pattern look. And there are a lot of examples where the ribbed texture is muted and the coloured pinstripes are more obvious, like post #5992884. You can't make out the pleats in the fabric, it's just an off-white sweater with brown pinstripes. Same with post #5969151. The pinstripes are a bit thicker and stand out (though there might be a bit of 3D ribbing texture left). There are some, but it's pretty hard to find a ribbed sweater without alternations between thick lines and thin pinstripes.

LQ said:

The fact they have thin vertical stripes makes it a pinstripe pattern, even if it's the ribbing/texture that generates the pinstripes.

So we get back to what i was saying back in my first response, if ribbing on clothes counts as pinstripes, then follwing that logic we would need to alias, or imply every other piece of ribbed clothing with their pinstripe counterpart. Not only that but also add the tag to every post where an alternating-width, vertical stripe pattern is generated from anything that isnt a print pattern. And to me thats counterproductive, because by looking at what falls in the pinstripe pattern tag (don't mind the massive influx of kisaki posts taking several pages), and a quick look at what comes in a pinstripe fashion google search vs ribbed fashion google search, when looking for characters wearing pinstriped clothing, the average user probably isnt looking for all the stuff from the differend ribbed_x tags (and it is a lot of posts to be added to a pinstripe search), and same goes for the other way around.

LQ said:

There are some, but it's pretty hard to find a ribbed sweater without alternations between thick lines and thin pinstripes.

Yes indeed, that is very true, but:
Taking the current pinstripe pattern wiki as the only rule to what counts as pinstriped isnt a good idea in practice.
Pinstripe and ribbed really dont look the same (and arent the same) despite the method used to draw ribbed clothes in some posts, and all the examples you've given just look like ribbed clothing, not pinstripe (except if for post #6037558 you mean the character on the right and not on the left).
Very few artists have the attention to detail and patience to accurately render the subtle 3d texture of a ribbed piece of clothing, they're shortcutting the art process by using those vertical lines to imply "this is a sweater" (ofc not all sweaters are ribbed but when wanting to make a drawn sweater look like a sweater, making it ribbed is an easy way to convey it), rendering pinstripes realistically is comparatively a lot less time-consuming, but even with those simplified renders, it is clear what is the intended clothing type to me, because theres more than just rendering to separate the two.

If i have to roughly describe how i differenciate between pinstripe and ribbing when looking at art:
- Most importantly, pinstripe would rather visually count as a print pattern
- Pinstriped clothing generally looks more "formal", or at least of some relatively premium fabric, it is not exclusive to them, but by far most common in formal high-end clothing.
- to add another less important factor, most pinstripe patterns have their stripes on a lighter shade of color than the main color of the clothing (ofc "most" doesnt mean "all", as seen in post #5975334 , but again it is most common)

Just to take examples you brought, post #5992884 , which examplifies what would be the least amount of rendering on what is intended to be a ribbed sweater (without it being literally the same line brush like for post #6037558, still does clearly come off as a ribbed texture, a case of artistic shortcut to make clear what clothing type it is supposed to be. as your other example, post #5969151 , it is rough but definitely more rendered and it actually looks even closer to what a ribbed sweater it would look like irl, the texture is loosely but efficiently drawn here, the fact that this texture generates a pattern of vertical stripes with variations in width doesnt make it pinstripe.

I don't know how others would word it, I could probably do a better job of describing the difference between ribbed clothing and pinstriped clothing, even for danbooru tagging purposes, but the difference still is rather clear, mixing them would make searching for actual pinstripe stuff on danbooru a lot more difficult imo.

What i take from this thread is that the pinstripe wiki could use a little update, since it leaves ambiguity on whether a ribbed and pinstripe can overlap, but they can't, i've never yet seen a piece of clothing that is both pinstriped and ribbed, and if it turns out one exists somewhere irl, it still would be very hard for an artist to convey both properties without a near photorealistic artstyle, all the art i see falls into either one category or the other, and as for sweaters, there's still none that actually appears pinstriped

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