Renaming ambiguous breast grab tags

BUR #15313 has been rejected.

create alias breast_grab -> grabbing_another's_breast
deprecate breast_grab
create alias breast_lift -> grabbing_own_breast
deprecate breast_lift
create alias breast_hold -> breast_on_own_arm
deprecate breast_hold

The various tags for holding/grabbing breasts are an ambiguous mess that (surprise surprise) can be traced all the way back to oldbooru. To start with, breast_grab is only for grabbing another's breast, so naturally it's also being used for holding one's own breasts. Speaking of, the tag for holding one's own breasts... is not breast_hold; it's breast_lift. breast_hold is actually for resting one's breast(s) on their arm(s). And to top it all off, breast_lift is just a duplicate of grabbing_own_breast.

(There's also breast_suppress that needs to be split into hand_on_own_chest and hands_on_own_chest respectively, but that's a discussion for another topic.)

This BUR will rename all of our current breast grab tags so they're very easy to understand, then deprecate the old ambiguous terms. While I've already gardened all posts with a combination of breast_grab, breast_lift and breast_hold, there's still likely a lot of mistags for each individual tag. Even so, this BUR should be approved as soon as possible to prevent future mistags.

Kinda meh about aliasing breast lift away, because there is sometimes a very obvious lift. This post #6091142 is not a grab, it's simply a lift.
Also, there are some cases like these post #5826625, post #5734787 which should be fixed if the bur somehow goes through, but you mentioned mistags, so yes.

Nacha said:

Kinda meh about aliasing breast lift away, because there is sometimes a very obvious lift.

Look through breast_lift. The vast majority of them feature no lift at all and many have only been tagged breast_lift instead of grabbing_own_breast because they're being grabbed from below. A decent chunk of them aren't even being lifted or grabbed from below.

Another lift without grabbing post #5938941
I'm not saying that we don't have a lot of poor tagging in regard to breast lift (and the other tags here), I'm just saying, that it would be stupid to aliasing it away.
Also, you can grab your own breasts and lift them at the same time. These are just two different concepts we would be merging into one.

Nacha said:

Another lift without grabbing post #5938941
I'm not saying that we don't have a lot of poor tagging in regard to breast lift (and the other tags here), I'm just saying, that it would be stupid to aliasing it away.
Also, you can grab your own breasts and lift them at the same time. These are just two different concepts we would be merging into one.

Breast lifts are already easily findable scrolling through grabbing_own_breast; a good number of them already involve breast lifting. I'm not sure how to tag post #5938941 right now, but I see little sense in leaving these tags as they are just because of a few edge cases that don't fit. We can figure those out later, after we've fixed the issues already at hand.

From the reactions I'm seeing, nobody is particularly interested in this solution. It's an undeniable fact that these tags need fixing; they're ambiguous, poorly named and constantly mistagged as a result. However, if people have other methods in mind then I'm all ears. What matters is that the tags are fixed, not that my idea in particular is selected.

I don't think the alias from breast grab to grabbing anothers breasts and breast hold to breast on own arm is bad and I would upvote that (I think the name breast on own arm is bad either, but it's more clear).
I think it's one of those BURs where you wanted too much.

The bulk update request #15313 (forum #234038) has been rejected by @AngryZapdos.

BUR #15335 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create alias breast_grab -> grabbing_another's_breast

Nacha said:

I think it's one of those BURs where you wanted too much.

Perhaps you're right. Let's go through these one by one, starting with what I believe to be the least contentious alias.

breast_grab is supposed to be for grabbing another's breast, but because its name makes no such distinction it's often used for grabbing_own_breast as well. I fixed hundreds of erroneous breast_grab posts before starting this thread, and many more likely remain - it's not just a couple of uninformed users doing this. The deprecation is there because, as an ambiguous term, breast_grab shouldn't remain aliased to either one of these breast grab tags.

This bulk update request is pending automatic rejection in 5 days.

As an alternative option, instead of deprecating it we could turn the breast_grab tag into an umbrella for all breast grabs, regardless of who is doing it. Analogous to the ass_grab tag.

Hate to move tags this big but yeah, this tag is too ambiguous and easily mistagged to be left alone.

I removed the deprecation for now though.

The bulk update request #15335 (forum #234161) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

BUR #16270 has been rejected.

create alias breast_hold -> breasts_on_own_arms
deprecate breast_hold

The first alias has now been approved, and after the negative response to the breast_lift alias I'm leaving it alone for now. However, that leaves breast_hold. From its wiki:

A character supporting their own breasts with one or both of their arms.

This tag has an awful name - "breast hold" is just a synonym for "breast grab", and holding implies using your hands, not your forearms. I'm not married to breasts_on_own_arms, however, so if everyone prefers a different name (singular vs plural, something else etc.) then we should go with that.

AngryZapdos said:

This tag has an awful name - "breast hold" is just a synonym for "breast grab", and holding implies using your hands, not your forearms. I'm not married to breasts_on_own_arms, however, so if everyone prefers a different name (singular vs plural, something else etc.) then we should go with that.

breast support maybe? in contrast to breast suppress
But breasts_on_own_arms is good enough anyway imo

Oh is this BUR the reason why I couldn't add grabbing another's breast to some posts without the server giving me a bunch of search timeouts?

AngryZapdos said:

BUR #16270 has been rejected.

create alias breast_hold -> breasts_on_own_arms
deprecate breast_hold

The first alias has now been approved, and after the negative response to the breast_lift alias I'm leaving it alone for now. However, that leaves breast_hold. From its wiki:

This tag has an awful name - "breast hold" is just a synonym for "breast grab", and holding implies using your hands, not your forearms. I'm not married to breasts_on_own_arms, however, so if everyone prefers a different name (singular vs plural, something else etc.) then we should go with that.

supporting own breasts perhaps? I really thought we had a breast support tag before. Also, this tag heavily overlaps with breast lift.

This bulk update request has been rejected because it was not approved within 45 days.

The bulk update request #16270 (forum #238721) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.