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BUR #15350 has been rejected.

create implication gsh-18 -> handgun
create alias mp443 -> mp-443
create implication qbu-88 -> designated_marksman_rifle
create implication qbu-88 -> rifle
create implication qbu-88 -> bullpup
create implication h&k_sl8 -> rifle
create implication ots-12 -> assault_rifle
create implication h&k_g28 -> designated_marksman_rifle
create implication general_dynamics_lwmmg -> machine_gun
create implication gepard_m1 -> anti-materiel_rifle
create implication gepard_m1 -> bullpup
create implication mk48 -> general-purpose_machine_gun
create implication general_dynamics_lwmmg -> general-purpose_machine_gun
create implication general-purpose_machine_gun -> machine_gun
create implication ukm-2000 -> general-purpose_machine_gun
create implication cetme_ameli -> light_machine_gun
create implication sv-98 -> bolt_action
create implication sv-98 -> sniper_rifle
create implication ptrd-41 -> bolt_action

  • It's a Russian semi-auto pistol.
  • Almost all Soviet/Russian-designed equipment do have hyphens between letters and numbers. The official name is indeed MP-443 Compare to the tag MP-443 (Girls' Frontline).
  • QBU-88 is a bullpup DMR of Chinese origin.
  • SL8 is the semi-auto civilian-legal variant of the G36.
  • It's a Russian compact assault rifle

The rest of reasons are based on weapon types stated on their respective Wiki pages. You can add more weapon tag BURs on this thread if there are more.

Any other options so far?

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I was going to upvote this, but then I noticed that designated_marksman_rifle is a new tag and I think that it needs some discussion before we proceed.

First we need to decide if we want to have this tag at all? If the answer is positive, then the next question would be: should we keep it separate from sniper_rifle tag, or as a subset?

Depending on the answer to the second question we would either make designated_marksman_rifle -> rifle implication, or designated_marksman_rifle -> sniper_rifle implication.

Also, several DMR tags currently imply sniper_rifle. If we decide to keep the tag, then we would need to change their implications from sniper rifle to designated_marksman_rifle.

As for my opinion, I think that designated_marksman_rifle might be useful to differentiate these rifles from the bolt action ones. But they are visually similar, they are called sniper rifles in some countries, and average user probably won't know the difference, so it's better to keep this tag as a subset of sniper_rifle.

MyrMindservant said:
As for my opinion, I think that designated_marksman_rifle might be useful to differentiate these rifles from the bolt action ones. But they are visually similar, they are called sniper rifles in some countries, and average user probably won't know the difference, so it's better to keep this tag as a subset of sniper_rifle.

Thank you for your constructive thoughts and arguments. Of course DMRs are semi-automatic, while many sniper rifles are bolt action. DMRs cover shorter range than sniper rifles.

but then I noticed that designated_marksman_rifle is a new tag and I think that it needs some discussion before we proceed.

Someone else created designated marksman rifle. The DMR tag was first used on post #5693489 to refer the Heckler & Koch G28.
I think it's for the same reason we have both assault rifle and battle rifle, but too bad an approver wanted to alias battle rifle into assault rifle due to being "visually similar" (see topic #23250). I'm all against the BUR he/she made despite many high-ranking users here and site staff are upvoting it. Because this can cause a laughable misconception regarding firearms for the "less-informed". You don't have to experience military service or basic training to tell each type of small arms apart. Why would you alias BR into AR while (member and restricted) users can simply search for the catch-all rifle which covers both types and another desired tag instead? I honestly felt sorry for disagreeing with the rest of users for acting like an armchair general despite lacking experience on this website.

  • I'd rather alias anti-tank rifle into anti-materiel rifle in order to reduce tag count for the sake of searchability, while maintaining the technical accuracy. AT rifle is basically subset of anti-materiel one. Both do fire large calibre rounds. (topic #23273). While in real life, AMRs can be utilized as overpowered sniper rifle against human targets. Visually speaking AMRs can be distinguished from typical sniper rifles due to size and length that appears in some proportion compared to the wielder (character).

Also, several DMR tags currently imply sniper_rifle. If we decide to keep the tag, then we would need to change their implications from sniper rifle to designated_marksman_rifle.

  • In order to avoid tag redundancy and common misconception, DMR must not imply sniper rifle, only rifle. The cartridges can be different while the mechanism and models are distinct. Most DMRs use the same full-powered rifle cartridge as other common weapons, while sniper rifles use specialized ones like the .338 Lapua Magnum.

I wanted to make BUR to imply designated marksman rifle -> rifle. But it has less than 10 posts. As well as the following (feel free to make another BUR on this thread):
unimply Dragunov_SVD -> sniper rifle
imply Dragunov SVD -> designated marksman rifle
unimply PSL Romak -> sniper rifle
imply PSL Romak -> designated sniper rifle

should we keep it separate from sniper_rifle tag, or as a subset?

I do support keeping both sniper rifle and designated marksman rifle separate. Also, for the same reason we do have both submachine gun and machine pistol for shorter SMGs, handgun-styled ones (e.g. Micro Uzi which include selective-fire pistol models like the Beretta 93R.

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@World_Funeral you are approaching this in a bad/inefficient way. The more different things you include in a request, the more likely it is to fail. It is much better to make multiple smaller requests that can be voted on and approved/disapproved separately.

At the very least you need to separate all changes related to designated_marksman_rifle into a stand-alone request. But even then request in the OP would remain somewhat messy, so I suggest to break it down into several smaller requests.

Regarding designated_marksman_rifle and sniper_rifle tags. Danbooru is an image repository, not an encyclopedia, and the purpose of tags here is to help people finding images. I understand that DMR and sniper rifle are technically separate things, but they are visually similar and the distinction between them is not maintained everywhere.
Also, from what I can see Danbooru uses the sniper_rifle tag in a more general way, not just for dedicated sniper rifles. That's why I think that designated_marksman_rifle would be better kept as a subset of the sniper_rifle.

MyrMindservant said:
you are approaching this in a bad/inefficient way. The more different things you include in a request, the more likely it is to fail. It is much better to make multiple smaller requests that can be voted on and approved/disapproved separately.

At the very least you need to separate all changes related to designated_marksman_rifle into a stand-alone request. But even then request in the OP would remain somewhat messy, so I suggest to break it down into several smaller requests.

Regarding designated_marksman_rifle and sniper_rifle tags. Danbooru is an image repository, not an encyclopedia, and the purpose of tags here is to help people finding images. I understand that DMR and sniper rifle are technically separate things, but they are visually similar and the distinction between them is not maintained everywhere.

Apologize for this, but I thought creating more different BURs that cover the same tag theme would be redundant. I don't think DMR should be aliased into sniper rifle. I'm in favour of keeping both separate, we already have rifle that covers all types regardless of specified model. No wonder why would many experienced users, even those who have more tag knowledge than me would've neglect weapon-related BUR discussions. I suppose this has nothing to do with anti-gun bias on most users.
However, despite several DMR names has the word sniper on it, for instance the word "Snayperskaya" on SVD Dragunov.

DMR and sniper rifle might've created a blurry line for many users. Contrary to the clear separate line between assault rifle and battle rifle. Not only about the cartridge, bust most battle rifles visually have magazines with straight profile.

Also, from what I can see Danbooru uses the sniper_rifle tag in a more general way, not just for dedicated sniper rifles. That's why I think that designated_marksman_rifle would be better kept as a subset of the sniper_rifle.

By this logic, therefore fellatio and irrumatio should've been aliased into single tag because they look visually similar to many people too. Thank you for your honest criticism. DMR and sniper rifle terminology is not akin to how squad automatic weapon or light support weapon are basically alternate name for LMG.

Why would we request alias for visually-similar but distinguishable gun models into a single umbrella tag, but meanwhile we have multiple specific tags for certain school uniforms while more visually general ones like yellow cardigan are still descriptive, such as U.A. school uniform, Kamiyama high school uniform (Project Sekai) and others? Seems inconsistent.

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It's fine to group similar BURs together, but you have many things going on here. BURs that try to do too many things at once usually end up getting rejected. You should try to keep it simple.

I realized one of these tags (general-purpose machine gun) you renamed manually despite it having been created over a decade ago, and now are asking for implications and an alias from the old one. Manually renaming old tags is a big no-no here, you should not be doing that.

Also please stop updating BURs weeks after making them because it becomes extremely difficult to track who voted on what and now nobody can tell what's going it. There isn't a finite supply of forum posts and BURs that we have to conserve. You keep editing posts to reply or updating BURs with new lines and it's difficult to follow.

Talulah said:

It's fine to group similar BURs together, but you have many things going on here. BURs that try to do too many things at once usually end up getting rejected. You should try to keep it simple.

I realized one of these tags (general-purpose machine gun) you renamed manually despite it having been created over a decade ago, and now are asking for implications and an alias from the old one. Manually renaming old tags is a big no-no here, you should not be doing that.

Also please stop updating BURs weeks after making them because it becomes extremely difficult to track who voted on what and now nobody can tell what's going it. There isn't a finite supply of forum posts and BURs that we have to conserve. You keep editing posts to reply or updating BURs with new lines and it's difficult to follow.

Although the reason was simple despite being multiple - basic types of designated models stated on each Wikis. Somehow I felt like treating each firearm name as if it is character name. Apologies for my mistake. I'd better listen what higher-ranking members advice to do and not to do. I did not even know that manually renaming tag is against the rules. I was just hyphenating general-purpose machine gun due to grammatical issues, based on the official Wikipedia article. From now, I'm not going to update this BUR anymore despite I doubt there are still some missing implications. because I realized that weapon tag-related BUR barely attract the site staff's concern here.

Do most users here know things better than me about guns in general? I do think so. That's why I welcome more viewpoints here. To be honest, I encouraged others to reuse the tread to add more BURs if there may be missing implications. Still, it's more than a week and nobody told me that there are more here. I had no choice but updating this BUR with more implications.

Still, I think the reason behind automatic rejection for some BURs is illogical, despite how many arguments could the requester present to convince the mods. While some BURs got approved in less than few days. I think this is not as complicated as character or series-related BURs, which might involve far more complex topic like spoilers or plot twists.

Edit: Why would you disagree with this despite the reasoning behind this BUR is indeed based on each type?

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