Danbooru

Ideas to make donmai.moe mode safer

Posted under Bugs & Features

Edit: I was originally talking about both safe mode and donmai.moe in this post before I understood they are two separate things. I fixed it to avoid any more misunderstandings. Everything below is for donmai.moe only, not safe mode.

After trying out donmai.moe, I noticed some major flaws with how it currently operates. The main issue I noticed is that any new upload rated G will instantly appear on the front page regardless of its contents. That means that if a user were to upload hentai and rate it G, there's a decent chance donmai.moe users will see it before the rating is fixed. We need a more proactive approach to these situations. While our options are limited due to the site being entirely volunteer-driven, there are a few things I think we could try.

All of these ideas are meant for donmai.moe only and should not affect the viewing experience of the main site.

Completely hide status:pending and status:deleted posts

Note: By "completely hide," I mean treat them the same way non G-rated posts are: completely inaccessible without changing the settings.

As we all know, new posts uploaded by members below Contributer level get put in the moderation queue and have 3 days to be set active by an Approver. They are still visible under normal settings during that time. Hiding pending posts will give other members on the main site time to fix the rating before it is visible in donmai.moe mode. Approvers could also check the rating before approving or deleting posts (this should be a very quick check; I don't expect them to try and resolve G/S disputes). Even if some Q/E-worthy posts make it through, they'll at least be off the front page. And while we can't always rely on Contributers and above to rate posts properly, we probably don't have to worry about them putting anything extreme in G.

Users of donmai.moe can still search for deleted posts, which I think are less likely to be rerated due to them being hidden by default. It may be worth considering completely hiding these posts as well.

Completely hide posts uploaded less than 3 days ago

While I did say Contributers and above probably won't pollute the G rating too badly, there's still the possibility of one deciding to go rouge and deliberately upload hentai as G to spite Danbooru. If we want protection against those kinds of events, we may want to consider applying the 3-day buffer to all users. This will of course mean that donmai.moe users will always be 3 days behind users of the main site, so this isn't a decision to take lightly. If 3 days is too much, then we can set a shorter time.

Completely hide posts with / wiki entries of NSFW tags

Some tags such as sex should never appear on G-rated posts. Hiding posts with these tags can provide extra protection against misrated posts. However, even if there are no results in the search, the user will still be redirected to the wiki entry. I think the wiki entry should be hidden as well because it is hard to discuss these topics in a SFW manner. To summarize, I think there should be absolutely no evidence of these tags being referenced in donmai.moe.

Add a policy to encourage SFW writing in wiki entries

If hiding a tag is unreasonable because it could still potentially be used in a G-worthy post, we should at least try to make sure the wiki avoids NSFW topics or language unless absolutely necessary. Adding a policy may be unnecessary as it would be hard to enforce and most wikis describe things in SFW terms anyway, but I thought it would at least be good to bring the idea up.

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I could see those features being added for donmai.moe, but it seems unrealistic for normal Danbooru that just has the safe mode on. Not all of us are using the safe mode for the same reasons, and not all of us *need* the same level of protection.

KagayakuShiningGate said:

I could see those features being added for donmai.moe, but it seems unrealistic for normal Danbooru that just has the safe mode on. Not all of us are using the safe mode for the same reasons, and not all of us *need* the same level of protection.

I'll be honest; I didn't realize donmai.moe and safe mode weren't the same thing. All of my points are for donmai.moe, which is why I said it shouldn't affect users of the main site. I just edited my post so it is not conflating the two.

Obst said:

This is already a feature. Certain tags (such as: censored, condom, nipples, nude, penis, pussy, sexually_suggestive...) are always hidden from safe mode users.

If this feature already exists, then it's not working. Using both safe mode and donmai.moe, I get results for censored, condom, and nipples. I don't get results for penis, pussy, or sexually_suggestive, but I can still see the wikis. This tells me that the posts are hidden solely based on whatever they happen to be rated at the time.

Mayhem-Chan said:

That's really overkill
And the method of automatically hiding pending posts is a bad idea that wouldn't at all help fix misratings

How so? How long are pornographic images left as G on this site? I assume they would be rerated pretty quickly, especially when some Approvers may have posts with high ratings blacklisted. Even if the posts were hidden for just a few hours, that would still at least keep it from showing up on the main page even if the rating isn't fixed. But at the moment, any post rated as G will appear instantly, and that makes donmai.moe too risky to use for its intended purpose.

Are there any disadvantages to hiding pending or recently uploaded posts from donmai.moe users besides having a few less G-rated posts they can view?

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Blank_User said:

How so? How long are pornographic images left as G on this site? I assume they would be rerated pretty quickly, especially when some Approvers may have posts with high ratings blacklisted. Even if the posts were hidden for just a few hours, that would still at least keep it from showing up on the main page even if the rating isn't fixed. But at the moment, any post rated as G will appear instantly, and that makes donmai.moe too risky to use for its intended purpose.

Are there any disadvantages to hiding pending or recently uploaded posts from donmai.moe users besides having a few less G-rated posts they can view?

Being only about donmai.moe changes the validity of your suggestion and i'm no longer against it, but just know that only egregious misratings like a Q/E post misrated as G do get fixed relatively quickly, when it comes to S posts misrated as G, it's suddenly a lot more luck-based, some of those cases can literally take months before someone notices and fixes it.
And approvers don't always notice a post is misrated when they review it

Mayhem-Chan said:

Being only about donmai.moe changes the validity of your suggestion and i'm no longer against it, but just know that only egregious misratings like a Q/E post misrated as G do get fixed relatively quickly, when it comes to S posts misrated as G, it's suddenly a lot more luck-based, some of those cases can literally take months before someone notices and fixes it.
And approvers don't always notice a post is misrated when they review it

That's fine. Given how strict S is, it wouldn't be a big deal if some of the milder S posts slipped through.

I have no idea what the interface for the approver's queue looks like. Can approvers see the rating at a glance or do they need to hover over the post? I was thinking an icon for G-rated posts could catch their attention, but it may end up being ignored after a while especially if the approver mainly looks through G-rated posts.

Blank_User said:

That's fine. Given how strict S is, it wouldn't be a big deal if some of the milder S posts slipped through.

I have no idea what the interface for the approver's queue looks like. Can approvers see the rating at a glance or do they need to hover over the post? I was thinking an icon for G-rated posts could catch their attention, but it may end up being ignored after a while especially if the approver mainly looks through G-rated posts.

Media asset. That's a screenshot from my phone because I'm in the road rn. There are icons for no source, non-web source, poor quality, breaking the rules and many metatags. The approver has to hover the mouse over the post or open it to see the rating, but you can manually filter posts by rating in the search bar.

Individual said:

Media asset. That's a screenshot from my phone because I'm in the road rn. There are icons for no source, non-web source, poor quality, breaking the rules and many metatags. The approver has to hover the mouse over the post or open it to see the rating, but you can manually filter posts by rating in the search bar.

That's very informative. Thank you. I'll leave discussion about the modqueue to approvers since they know best what is useful to them, but I am realizing adding more display elements to the queue could make rerating posts more convenient, but it could also put more pressure on approvers.

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