Tag Implication: headwings -> wings

Implicating headwings -> wings

Reason: They're wings. On your head.

Wings make me think of the back variety, not the head variety. That, and some headwings aren't exactly wings, just decoration on headgear (i.e. Riesz, Valkyrie no Densetsu's Valkyrie, Dragon Quest III's Soldier).

I think that brings up a question on the definition of the wings tag. Is the wings tag for any kind of depiction of wings, or is it specifically for the common depiction of wings on a being's back? The current wiki definition mentions the back only.

There are also instances of "winged objects" like post #166718 and post #406888, though I wonder if there shouldn't be a specific tag for those since they're not the typical back wings on a person or creature.

For me, headwings feel like they should be distinctly separate from wings on objects that happen to be worn on the head. A helmet can be removed, wings growing out of someone's head cannot.

The implication, meh, I can take it or leave it.

I think wings should include any objects that look like wings.

Ah, back after a few days and have more than a full page of threads to look at. Argh. At least I inexplicably have no mail to deal with.

I don't really see why we would limit wings to those on the back only. Wings are wings, no? So I'm thinking this implication makes sense. The question of decorative wings is a reasonable one though.

jxh2154 said:
I don't really see why we would limit wings to those on the back only. Wings are wings, no? So I'm thinking this implication makes sense. The question of decorative wings is a reasonable one though.

There are tags which follow the pattern xx_(object) to distinguish from xx that's usually used in a different capacity, right? So why not wings_(object) or wing_(object) for wings that are not part of the anatomy?

jxh2154 said:
Wings are wings, no? So I'm thinking this implication makes sense.

As a counter argument, this exactly the opposite logic from the cleaver → knife thread. Either we implicate non-prototypical examples to their subsuming tags or we don't (if we are going for consistency). We didn't in that other thread.

Shinjidude said: As a counter argument, this exactly the opposite logic from the cleaver → knife thread.

I don't find the situations terribly similar.

Cleavers are atypical knives, headwings are atypical wings?

But unlike a cleaver, headwings are still very much identical in appearance to normal wings... just that they're located on the head. The actual shape of a cleaver is very different from the average knife.

Personally I'd prefer headwings and winged objects to have their own separate tags and not fall under the wings tag, but I don't have strong enough feelings to be against them getting added in.

I think perhaps we need a winged_helmet tag, to distinguish it from wings growing out of your head.

I don't care in this case any more than I did with the knives. But the argument used there works here too.

If you were browsing wings would you want random headwings mixed in? Is it something someone would use that tag for, or does it introduce noise that would need filtered out? Personally I'd search for headwings directly if I wanted to see them.

Coconut said:
I think perhaps we need a winged_helmet tag, to distinguish it from wings growing out of your head.

And what about winged sandals? Winged staves? Winged anything else? A general tag for wings-as-objects/winged objects is much less of a hassle.

I don't really agree with this. It's kinda like saying garter_belt should implicate belt. I mean they're both belts, right?

Like 95% or more of the images under the wings tag refers to the kind on your back anyway, which is how the wiki entry states it should be. Why change it now? What is there to gain from this type of implication aside from forcing people to search wings with -headwings if they want to see actual back wings?

I'm against the implication as well. I don't see what we have to gain from lumping headwings in with wings.

If we are going to do this, we'd need a new tag specifically for standard wings, letting wings be a global tag for all variety of wings.

While, in theory, not a bad idea, I don't know if its really that worthwhile.