Idolmaster costume set implications

BUR #37287 has been rejected.

create implication snow_strawberry_(idolmaster) -> cute_&_girly_(idolmaster)
create implication gothic_princess_(idolmaster) -> cute_&_girly_(idolmaster)
create implication indigo_spangle_(idolmaster) -> cool_&_sexy_(idolmaster)
create implication the_wild_strawberry_(idolmaster) -> floral_(idolmaster)
create implication vital_sunflower_(idolmaster) -> floral_(idolmaster)
create implication pink_diamond_765_(idolmaster) -> luxury_(idolmaster)
create implication million_dreams_(idolmaster) -> luxury_(idolmaster)

Many outfits in the games come in categories like cute & girly where they'll share the same design but come in color variants like snow strawberry or gothic princess.

BUR #37624 has been rejected.

Additional outfits

Ok, I'm gonna say it. post #5800789, post #7668306, post #3518535 are all a single costume general tag, but they look pretty different.
Same thing with post #329443 and post #445960 and post #269956.

Why are we using gentags for costumes in idolmaster, and not chartags? Is it a "nobody's ever gotten around to creating chartags" kind of situation? Because these gentags look horrid, confusing and hard to use compared to just having individual costume tags, and wanting to have umbrella tags for these costume gentags seems like a step too far.

nonamethanks said:

Why are we using gentags for costumes in idolmaster, and not chartags? Is it a "nobody's ever gotten around to creating chartags" kind of situation? Because these gentags look horrid, confusing and hard to use compared to just having individual costume tags, and wanting to have umbrella tags for these costume gentags seems like a step too far.

It's because, traditionally, idol group costumes, whether they be unlockable costumes like above or songs like here, have been rendered as gentags. As early as the Taihou Forbidden Feast discussion this has been acknowledged (forum #154603, forum #154624). Changing it here would require changing it for all idol properties, such as Love Live. You yourself have hesitated about opening that can of worms, such as in forum #211896, but in that time, things have changed ala forum #291874 and the entirety of topic #28832.

If we're going to finally open that can of worms, we should have a dedicated thread for that.

nonamethanks said:

Ok, I'm gonna say it. post #5800789, post #7668306, post #3518535 are all a single costume general tag, but they look pretty different.
Same thing with post #329443 and post #445960 and post #269956.

Why are we using gentags for costumes in idolmaster, and not chartags? Is it a "nobody's ever gotten around to creating chartags" kind of situation? Because these gentags look horrid, confusing and hard to use compared to just having individual costume tags, and wanting to have umbrella tags for these costume gentags seems like a step too far.

I don't know if I'm stepping into this costume gentags vs chartags debate wrong, but I guess you mean that because post #148425 for example each character has a uniquely fitted version of Night and Day AMCG (idolmaster) (the games consider that to be one single costume), that would mean each character getting a chartag for just that costume? However there's 24 more costumes just like that that are color variants, like post #169338, so ultimately it'd be 250+ new chartags, and that's only for the Cool & Sexy (idolmaster) costumes. Or it'd be simplified to just making chartags for Cool & Sexy, Cute & Girly (idolmaster), Luxury (idolmaster), etc. and nuking the variant tags if their existence is seen as a problem, but I'd hate for that to happen. As for the first 3 examples you linked, this is that costume post #1404213 which has 50 characters who each get their own uniquely fitted version of it (still the same single costume according to the games), does that mean all 50 characters get a chartag for it too? How would you search them all together if there's no gentag? There's also cases where an artist draws a costume in monochrome, or they just come up with their own color scheme, so you can't identify which specific variant it is. Or they even come up with their own theoretical design for a character who's never worn that costume, but you can still tell what variant it's supposed to be because of the color scheme like post #329443.

BUR #39346 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication noel_angelic_(idolmaster) -> cute_&_girly_(idolmaster)
create implication mini_morning_(idolmaster) -> cute_&_girly_(idolmaster)
create implication monochrome_spot_(idolmaster) -> cute_&_girly_(idolmaster)
create implication primary-star_plum_(idolmaster) -> cute_&_girly_(idolmaster)
create implication sunny_side_of_the_moon_(idolmaster) -> cosmic_&_funny_(idolmaster)
create implication powder_snow_whitey_(idolmaster) -> luxury_(idolmaster)
create implication leathered_queen_(idolmaster) -> luxury_(idolmaster)

More costumes

I guess to try to explain it again, I'll use this post #9027730 as an example, those are two different named costumes from the games in the image, but they're both the floral (idolmaster) type of costume, so that's why I'm requesting these implications since the tags like floral and cute & girly (idolmaster) already existed before I started working on all this, they just didn't always have the specific costume variant tagged as well. Meanwhile luxury (idolmaster) didn't exist yet and pink diamond 765 (idolmaster) was incorrectly being used for all luxury costumes even if the colors didn't match.

So it makes sense to me that someone might want to search amami_haruka cute_&_girly_(idolmaster) to see her wearing any color variant of that costume design since they all share the same physical design, but someone else might want to search amami_haruka gothic_princess_(idolmaster) to see her wearing a much less common variant than snow strawberry.

It's outside of the scope of what I'm trying to do with these BURs but there do exist costumes exclusive to one character like trusty fortune and istoriya svet, so I guess those totally would work as chartags, it's just there's barely any art of them in the first place. And those are just exceptions, the games are all about customization where any character can wear any costume, and more costumes exist that look identical no matter which character is wearing it.

I'm not as familiar with the mobile games but I finally found a resource (in JP) that lists out costumes in Theater Days, there seems to be more in that game that are exclusive to single characters so those could probably work as chartags too.
https://gamerch.com/imasml-theater/471881

BUR #39356 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication kisaragi_chihaya_(brilliant_diva) -> kisaragi_chihaya
create implication kikuchi_makoto_(violent_desire) -> kikuchi_makoto
create implication kikuchi_makoto_(black_servant) -> kikuchi_makoto
create implication kikuchi_makoto_(sincerely_marine) -> kikuchi_makoto
create implication shijou_takane_(twilight_eternity) -> shijou_takane
create implication kitazawa_shiho_(depths_of_twilight_maid) -> kitazawa_shiho
create implication hakozaki_serika_(everyone_is_special) -> hakozaki_serika
create implication ganaha_hibiki_(light_of_vibes) -> ganaha_hibiki
create implication suou_momoko_(made_on_alice) -> suou_momoko
create implication suou_momoko_(fancy_a_la_mode) -> suou_momoko

Some character tags for Theater Days costumes since they're exclusively worn by only one character, so I get how chartags make sense to use in that case.
Going to leave this link here because this is where I was conveniently finding info on these costumes (google translate link to a JP wiki).
https://gamerch-com.translate.goog/imasml-theater/471881?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US

As you can see from Damian's comment in above, the costume tags we were using in idolmaster were based on songs, and the songs were usually assigned to groups of 4-5 people, not just one person.
Also, these songs are not released every few months like official alternate costume in games like BA, but every 2 weeks or so, and that's for each copyright.
Can you manage this by creating and implying all new tags for the characters every time a new song comes out for every copyright? And also we'll have to replace all the existing tags.
Unless the answer to this question is 'I can.', it's pretty obvious that this method will mess up, and it would be better for our mental health to manage these tags with gentags.

BUR #39458 has been rejected.

create implication elementary_schoolmate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication junior_high_schoolmate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication high_schoolmate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication college_mate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication summer_elementary_school_(idolmaster) -> summer_uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication summer_junior_highscool_(idolmaster) -> summer_uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication summer_highscool_(idolmaster) -> summer_uniform_series_(idolmaster)

I didn't create any of these tags but apparently there are these two umbrella tags for these different series of outfits, so if the umbrella tags exist it might as well make sense to implicate them. (Though I could see these umbrella tags not being necessary to exist)

Yeah, the Project Diva modules are at least associated with a single character and don't cause an exponential ballooning in chartag count, which these absolutely would if we were to make them chartags.

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BUR #39776 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

nuke uniform_series_(idolmaster)
nuke summer_uniform_series_(idolmaster)
rename summer_highscool_(idolmaster) -> summer_highschool_(idolmaster)
rename summer_junior_highscool_(idolmaster) -> summer_junior_highschool_(idolmaster)

naiba said:

BUR #39458 has been rejected.

create implication elementary_schoolmate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication junior_high_schoolmate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication high_schoolmate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication college_mate_(idolmaster) -> uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication summer_elementary_school_(idolmaster) -> summer_uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication summer_junior_highscool_(idolmaster) -> summer_uniform_series_(idolmaster)
create implication summer_highscool_(idolmaster) -> summer_uniform_series_(idolmaster)

I didn't create any of these tags but apparently there are these two umbrella tags for these different series of outfits, so if the umbrella tags exist it might as well make sense to implicate them. (Though I could see these umbrella tags not being necessary to exist)

Actually yeah there's no reason for those 2 umbrella tags to exist since none of the costumes in them are actually similar. Plus whoever first created the other two here misspelled school in the name.

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The bulk update request #37624 (forum #338419) has been rejected by @DanbooruBot.

The bulk update request #39776 (forum #346384) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #39458 (forum #345144) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #39356 (forum #344649) has been approved by @nonamethanks.