Possible solution to the style tags?

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BUR #41380 has been rejected.

create implication 2000s_(style) -> retro_artstyle
create implication faux_retro_artstyle -> retro_artstyle

I guess I'll make two BURs for potential options here.

This one is for if we want to keep retro artstyle itself as an umbrella tag. Obviously, faux retro should implicate it then.

Additionally given we're 20 years out from the 2000s and it's the current hot trend to emulate (like 1990s (style) was in the 2010s), it should really get an implication now as well. (Sorry to anyone who feels old reading that.)

BUR #41381 has been rejected.

deprecate retro_artstyle
mass update retro_artstyle faux_retro_artstyle -> -retro_artstyle

And here's the option for if we want to deprecate the retro artstyle umbrella tag and instead point people towards tagging the specific style and if applicable faux retro artstyle.

IMO, retro artstyle is EXTREMELY broad, especially since these tags are used on works from the time periods as well. I don't really feel it's that useful, given it encompasses many different styles and both imitations and the originals.

So using traditional_media as a comparison we don't tag faux_traditional_media with the the more specific tags like watercolor, pen, graphite, ect and they are two completely seperate tags. One solution to make it less broad would be to remove the authentic pieces and keep retro artstyle specifically for them.

Another, perhaps easier to maintain solution is to share the decade tags but to still keep faux and authentic split. Whatever the solution I do NOT support implying faux to authentic since we don't do that with traditional.

zetsubousensei said:

So using traditional_media as a comparison we don't tag faux_traditional_media with the the more specific tags like watercolor, pen, graphite, ect and they are two completely seperate tags. One solution to make it less broad would be to remove the authentic pieces and keep retro artstyle specifically for them.

Another, perhaps easier to maintain solution is to share the decade tags but to still keep faux and authentic split. Whatever the solution I do NOT support implying faux to authentic since we don't do that with traditional.

Well we couldn't do that implication even if we wanted to. One of them would need a category change. The more specific tags also describe how or with what the piece was made, so it wouldn't make sense to use them for faux traditional media, which is digital art. We'd need to reconsider our entire tagging approach for those tags if we wanted to identify that something that wasn't drawn with a real pencil looks like it was.

None of these issues apply to the retro artstyles. Whether it was actually made in the 90s or in 2025, if it looks like 1990s (style) then it's 1990s style. I think it's silly to try to argue that someone using any of these tags wouldn't want to see art that looks exactly like everything else in the tag just because it wasn't literally made during the original time period. Honestly, this entire "these things need to be segregated by date of creation" discussion is a little bizarre to me.

Then retro artstyle is an overly broad tag and I'd support it's deprecation as Confetto said. The segregation solution would be to give it a role that isn't already filled by just the decade tags, but if we aren't going to do that then it's encapsulating both 50+ of official_art on top of a bunch of parody stuff and people can already narrow their search to a rough ten year period and see what they're looking for easily.

Confetto said:

I'd like to also suggest deprecating retro artstyle given how absurdly broad it is, but I'm not sure.

zetsubousensei said:

Then retro artstyle is an overly broad tag and I'd support it's deprecation as Confetto said. The segregation solution would be to give it a role that isn't already filled by just the decade tags, but if we aren't going to do that then it's encapsulating both 50+ of official_art on top of a bunch of parody stuff and people can already narrow their search to a rough ten year period and see what they're looking for easily.

1) I updated the current wiki to include 2000s.
2) We should really deprecate retroartstyle. I think a depreciation notice should be written in that case. It's depreciation is because the tag is so absurdly board to be vague and ambiguous, after all.

Confetto said:

BUR #41381 has been rejected.

deprecate retro_artstyle
mass update retro_artstyle faux_retro_artstyle -> -retro_artstyle

And here's the option for if we want to deprecate the retro artstyle umbrella tag and instead point people towards tagging the specific style and if applicable faux retro artstyle.

IMO, retro artstyle is EXTREMELY broad, especially since these tags are used on works from the time periods as well. I don't really feel it's that useful, given it encompasses many different styles and both imitations and the originals.

Incredible suggestion you have!

I know I’m a little late to this discussion, but I was just thinking. For all the authentic posts from that decade that are actually drawn in that art style we go back and tag them 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. And for the ones that we’re currently trying to tag as faux_retro_artstyle, we use the current 1970s_(style), 1980s_(style), 1990s_(style), 2000s_(style).

If we do it that way, then for one we wouldn’t need to blacklist faux_retro_artstyle to find actual styled art from the actual decade since it’s all there under one tag, and vice versa for the fake styled ones.

dumpinggrounds said:

I know I’m a little late to this discussion, but I was just thinking. For all the authentic posts from that decade that are actually drawn in that art style we go back and tag them 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s. And for the ones that we’re currently trying to tag as faux_retro_artstyle, we use the current 1970s_(style), 1980s_(style), 1990s_(style), 2000s_(style).

If we do it that way, then for one we wouldn’t need to blacklist faux_retro_artstyle to find actual styled art from the actual decade since it’s all there under one tag, and vice versa for the fake styled ones.

That wouldn't be intuitive at all from a glance.

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