Usage of Partially Submerged

I think it's kind of silly the way we use partially submerged right now.

Currently, the wiki states that it's for "Standing in water more than waist deep". This is good because it separates it from wading which is for "Standing or walking in water less than waist deep."

The issue lies in the second part. "...or lying, sitting, or kneeling in shallow water." These are fundamentally different things to me and don't help greatly with searchability. It'd be preferable to have different tags so that you can find posts like this without a post like this also coming up.

Sure, you could just filter out sitting, lying and kneeling from the search but that would also eliminate posts with multiple characters doing different actions where you'd miss out on these posts.

There's also mistags galore but that's across all the character-water related tags. That needs cleaning up and possibly might be a good idea to put examples in wikis to reduce such mistags.

Starting this topic for some discussion surrounding what to do/not to do regarding this tag, as well as potentially the other tags related to it.

My gut feel is that something along the lines of "approximately half or more of the character's body is underwater" is a good rule of thumb for partially_submerged and is probably the intent of that line about shallow water in the wiki. I.e., something like post #8902123 should count even though if the characters were standing the water would be less than waist-deep.

I don't know how to name a tag for sitting etc. in very shallow water (like post #8852696) without introducing further ambiguity and confusion, though.

There is actually a shallow water tag that's not linked by much, but it seems to be at least somewhat relevant to this discussion.

Ghosted this topic but still hate the way things are because they didn't magically change like I hoped they would (the genie lamp I found was a scam).

Since initially creating the topic I've discovered the existence of several other water related tags. Gonna list them with their main wiki and tag count (at time of writing) for my benefit and for the benefit of discussion. Feel free to mention any I missed.

Completely under water

underwater 24381 "An image that is shot from underwater, or that takes place completely underwater."
submerged 4171 "A character who is completely underwater."
immersed 135 "Used when an object like a building or a vehicle is completely in some liquid, such as water."

Waist Up

partially submerged 37568 "Standing in water more than waist deep, or lying, sitting, or kneeling in shallow water."
partially immersed 265 "Used when an object like a building or a vehicle is partially in some liquid, such as water."

Waist Down

wading 40528 "Standing or walking in water less than waist deep."
soaking feet 9721 "Sitting or resting with one or both feet in the water (or another liquid)."

On the surface of

standing on liquid 2976 "When a character is standing on the surface of a liquid, most often water."
kneeling on liquid 145 "When a character is kneeling on a liquid, most often water."
sitting on liquid 101
walking on liquid 999 "When a character is walking on the surface of a liquid, most often water."
running on liquid 137
on liquid 128

Things that currently class as partially submerged to some degree

lying on water 936 "A character is lying on a body of water."
sitting on water 742 "To be gardened/deleted. See applicable tags listed under in water (placeholder tag). Most likely partially submerged. Under discussion in forum #232427, possible use for standing on liquid like scenario but for sitting or lying without visible submersion or glass floor."
on water 701 "A person is atop a body of water, usually by being partially submerged in a low pool, or floating inside an innertube."
afloat 4968 "Floating in water or other liquids."

Misc

afloat 4968 (see above)
shallow water 2461 "Water that isn't particularly deep, the bottom is usually visible."
partially underwater shot 2291 "When the image is divided into two by the water's surface; in other words, the "camera" is partially submerged."

i've added image examples to the partially submerged and wading wikis, hopefully it'll help at least a little with the mistagging.

Kaleidoscoped said:

i've added image examples to the partially submerged and wading wikis, hopefully it'll help at least a little with the mistagging.

Thank you. Still don't like the idea of using partially submerged for images that depict someone lying or sitting in shallow water but keep the wiki as is until there's opefully some kind of resolution.

imo, there's already a principle that could be applied ("more than waist deep/half of the body") and the *_on_liquid tags can cover all the posts that fail that test.