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BUR #41344 has been rejected.
mass update fox_ears fox_tail 1girl solo -fake_* -furry -*headband -kemomimi-chan_(naga_u) -animal -> fox_girl
mass update fox_ears fox_tail 1boy solo -fake_* -furry -*headband -kemomimi-chan_(naga_u) -animal -> fox_boy
kemomimi-chan is excluded due to being a bunch of different shapes with ears on them.
This still won't work because animal ears and tail tags are often erroneously used on posts with foxes (the animal).
zetsubousensei said:
This still won't work because animal ears and tail tags are often erroneously used on posts with foxes (the animal).
I added -animal to it for now. The rest is a matter of gardening.
Giant mass updates like these are always a bad idea. Almost every one of them will have exceptions; the fact your own BUR includes one of them is evidence in and of itself that it shouldn't be approved. How can you be sure Kemomimi-chan is the only exception? You can't, which is why gardening like this has to be done manually 99% of the time.
Zalza said:
I added -animal to it for now. The rest is a matter of gardening.
And what about all the fox posts not tagged with animal? Again, there are always exceptions.
AngryZapdos said:
Giant mass updates like these are always a bad idea. Almost every one of them will have exceptions; the fact your own BUR includes one of them is evidence in and of itself that it shouldn't be approved. How can you be sure Kemomimi-chan is the only exception? You can't, which is why gardening like this has to be done manually 99% of the time.
And what about all the fox posts not tagged with animal? Again, there are always exceptions.
The post count thing on this craps out but I'm fairly certain it's too much to put in a favgroup. Isn't this the inherit risk of doing any and all mass updates? see forum #270673.
I've gone through like 10+ pages (200 posts per page) of this and the search is already the result of altering based on results. It geniunly seems like the amount of false postives you'd get from this is less than the amount of people manually tagging things with "fox girl" on upload that aren't fox girls. Even people tagging this manually would be more likely to get tired and make mistakes. And far outweighed by fixing thousands of untagged posts. I'm currently still checking it to move anything that had like untagged animal and fox ears. Currently the closest thing I found were: untagged fox girl holding a rabbit, a fox futa which I'm not sure if we tag as 1girl? and some renamon posts. Just in case I've added removing furry from the search and tagged the renamon/any anthro fox pokemon with that.
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CommentaryRequest said:
Fox futas are tagged as fox girls, yes.
Thanks, won't remove them from the favgroups then.
Here are the three fav groups for missing fox girls so far (note these are the ones that do NOT have the tag. in total the fox girl tag has a post count of like 88 k). Most (but not all) of these should be sorted roughly by age as the first two were initially picked using big query for older posts, then with a few more added to them manually after tagging some posts.
zetsubousensei said:
You can just apply the tag if the art is missing it. As long as you are actually looking at the images and not just blindly tag scripting obviously correct tags can just be added.
It still seems easier this way as otherwise I would get rate limited.
Right now my only two areas confusion (I.e wether these are untagged fake ears or untagged fox girl) are: fate (the series) and kantai collection. In fate some characters are seen earless in most arts but have ears + tail in others, and are tagged fox girl in some posts. But in others wear those fake animal gloves? As for kantai I'll just copypaste what I wrote on discord.
Are the girls from kantai collection fox girls? I see some of them having ears in some pics but not others and the ears not matching their hair color so I can't tell if it's meant to be fake ears. I found a single one with what was clearly a fake headband but others there are miscolored ears connected directly to the hair. So can should something like this be tagged fox girl?
I made this favgroup favgroup #43766 for things that were either definetly not fox girl (post #7525175) and things I was unsure about. Litterally running favgroup:43766 -favgroup:43730 -favgroup:43731 -favgroup:43749 as the tag script while looking for false positives in the other ones (because again, the amount of posts was so big it needed 3 seperate favgroups). But I am currently going insane and everything else seems clean, if there are not anymore issues I'm just going to submit a bur to update the favgroups soon.
The bulk update request #41344 (forum #356812) has been rejected by @Zalza.
BUR #41504 has been rejected.
mass update pool:25745 -> fox_girl
nuke pool:25745
It's done, it's finally fucking done. (Unless I tired myself out and missed something, then that will just be removed).
Due to the sheer amount of posts and @zetsubousensei being a sweetheart and wanting to look through this but getting home after I was already in bed this has been made into a utility pool which will automatically be deleted after. (Got conflicting reponses on discord).
I couldn't find a way to add automatically deleting the pool (just nuking it) so if I just missed that method that will be added, otherwise I will manually delete it as soon as the bur goes through.
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I don't even have to look hard to find dozens of wrong results. post #3480075, post #188898, post #7602887, post #7770856, post #1800150, post #4399042 (tagged 1boy), post #4886075, post #649092... Is this a joke?
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nonamethanks said:
I don't even have to look hard to find dozens of wrong results. post #3480075, post #188898, post #7602887, post #7770856, post #1800150, post #4399042 (tagged 1boy), post #4886075, post #649092... Is this a joke?
Thx for the goat and cat (second and last), those slipped through and apperently post #3480075 is a lot more obviously "non foxy" to others than me. (Someone told me it's a "if you know, you know" kinda thing). The 1boy seems to have been udpated after the database. Not sure why you linked post #1800150, that is a fox girl with multiple tails, did you just see the pressence of a real fox next to her and think it was wrong? post #4886075 (long ears) weirded me out too but is stated to be from a group of fox girls in the wiki. Some of the stuff you linked on discord is fox girls too.
Zalza said:
Not sure why you linked post #1800150, that is a fox girl with multiple tails
Yeah I was wrong for that one, I didn't see the ears with the crown in front of them and the blue tails against the blue sky looked like hair at first glance.
post #4886075 (long ears) weirded me out too but is stated to be from a group of fox girls in the wiki
But they look nothing like fox ears. They're more like rabbit ears. This is a case of wrong canon tagging.
Zalza said:
BUR #41504 has been rejected.
mass update pool:25745 -> fox_girl
nuke pool:25745It's done, it's finally fucking done. (Unless I tired myself out and missed something, then that will just be removed).
Due to the sheer amount of posts and @zetsubousensei being a sweetheart and wanting to look through this but getting home after I was already in bed this has been made into a utility pool which will automatically be deleted after. (Got conflicting reponses on discord).
I couldn't find a way to add automatically deleting the pool (just nuking it) so if I just missed that method that will be added, otherwise I will manually delete it as soon as the bur goes through.
Well I'm home from work and some people have already beat me to the punch that there are images in the pool that shouldn't get fox_girl, besides the ones mentioned above there is also stuff like post #8713553 which are tagged fox ears but visually look nothing like a fox, post #8327779 has fake_animal_ears, not sure if that's a real tail though? Another similar case is post #5890972 where the girl is making a fox gesture and has the ears and tail drawn, but isn't actually a fox_girl. There are still some girls with foxes (the animal) in the pool like post #5158382.
There are also a non insubstantial amount of girls who look like dogs (post #522471) and wolves (post #556921) but that's a greater issue than the topic of this thread.
Not sure what method you used to add posts but if you can't tell from the thumbnail you should open the post to double check, increasing the thumbnail sizes might also help. Besides that I didn't go through every pages, just jumped around and skimmed a bit, you might want to give them all another look over.
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The bulk update request #41504 (forum #357307) has been rejected by @Zalza.
I went ahead and rejected the bur as this seems like something to be done manually then.
But they look nothing like fox ears. They're more like rabbit ears. This is a case of wrong canon tagging.
Admittedly I thought that one was just some really long fennec ears like post #7492073.
Wrong canon tagging? Does that mean someone getting the canon wrong (in this case this one of the fox girl characters was not a fox girl or something) and tagging based on that or someone tagging based on correct canon but were supposed to ignore that? Eg if something is a canon fox girl but the artist draws the ears so badly they look like rabbit they should be tagged rabbit instead of fox?
nonamethanks said:
Yeah I was wrong for that one, I didn't see the ears with the crown in front of them and the blue tails against the blue sky looked like hair at first glance.
I figured that much. It was more that you sent me a bunch of angry discord messages about "not checking things" then send me atleast three (if I'm not missing more) that was the direct result of you not checking not checking things with one you in your own words mistook "at first glance". post #1800150 post #397959 post #396267.
zetsubousensei said:
Well I'm home from work and some people have already beat me to the punch that there are images in the pool that shouldn't get fox_girl, besides the ones mentioned above there is also stuff like post #8713553 which are tagged fox ears but visually look nothing like a fox, post #8327779 has fake_animal_ears, not sure if that's a real tail though? Another similar case is post #5890972 where the girl is making a fox gesture and has the ears and tail drawn, but isn't actually a fox_girl. There are still some girls with foxes (the animal) in the pool like post #5158382.
There are also a non insubstantial amount of girls who look like dogs (post #522471) and wolves (post #556921) but that's a greater issue than the topic of this thread.
Not sure what method you used to add posts but if you can't tell from the thumbnail you should open the post to double check, increasing the thumbnail sizes might also help. Besides that I didn't go through every pages, just jumped around and skimmed a bit, you might want to give them all another look over.
Again, the bur is rejected. I want to help out with the manual tagging of these posts but I am afraid of "false positives" so to speak. With stuff like, orange black tipped ears, it's obviously a fox, but I feel as if I am "out of the loop" in regards to a lot of technicolor characters. I got multiple "Obviously that's not a fox despite being tagged fox ears and tail" style replies in the discord and (except the one with a cat tail) I couldn't really see what screamed cat/dog/Whatever about them and two of those were the above ones NNT linked that turned out to be wrong, making it more confusing.
Like this one pikuuwu linked post #9135500. Pink fur so no way to tell based on that, wiki says nothing about species and tagged as fox girl but apparrently it was clearly not a fox girl to others?
I can't find it but there's some tumblr post about someone watching some anime or another and admitting they got the species wrong of some eared character because they "weren't deep enough into anime furry lore to isntantly tell the difference" based on the ears and that's how I feel right now.
Should I just stick to tagging like, kyubi, or is it more forgivable if I get some wrong when manual tagging than in a bur?
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