Marshadow "Forms"

BUR #43139 has been rejected.

nuke marshadow_(gloom)
nuke marshadow_(zenith)

I always found it strange that Marshadow has multiple character tags. While "Zenith Marshadow" is an official term, it's just something that happens in its animations, rather than a full-on transformation. By that same logic, there should also be tags for other brief appearance changes, such as Solgaleo's Radiant Sun Phase, Lunala's Full Moon Phase, and Reshiram, Zekrom, and Black and White Kyurem's Overdrive Modes. I personally think both Marshadow tags should go; they're not full-on forms in the same way other Pokémon's subtags are.

Even though they're not named forms, they're still visually unique. Nuking these tags would make it impossible to search for them specifically.

I agree with nnt here. Also, we actually do have a Lunala (Full Moon) tag.

Obst said:

I agree with nnt here. Also, we actually do have a Lunala (Full Moon) tag.

I noticed that tag only has one post. Should I begin populating it, as well as creating subtags for Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, and Solgaleo? As I said in my initial post, if Marshadow gets its own subtags, then by that same logic, the others should as well.

Feel free to do so.

The bulk update request #43139 (forum #363902) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.

BUR #43460 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

create implication reshiram_(overdrive) -> reshiram
create implication zekrom_(overdrive) -> zekrom
create implication black_kyurem_(overdrive) -> black_kyurem
create implication white_kyurem_(overdrive) -> white_kyurem
create implication solgaleo_(radiant_sun) -> solgaleo
create implication lunala_(full_moon) -> lunala

All the tags have been created and populated, so all that's left is to create the implications.

BUR #43461 has been rejected.

create alias marshadow_(gloom) -> marshadow_(normal)

If we're going to keep the Marshadow tags, I feel like this name should be changed. As far as I'm aware, the name "Gloom Marshadow" is never used officially. It seems to be derived from Marshadow's Pokédex category, the "Gloomdweller Pokémon," but that term refers to Marshadow as a species, rather than specifically its non-Zenith state. For lack of an official name, it'd be best to keep things consistent with other "default" forms, like those for Castform, Deoxys, Rotom, Necrozma, Magearna, Eternatus, and Terapagos.

Granted, if things are to be kept consistent with other Pokémon, then we'd either have to create "(normal)" tags for Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem and Solgaleo/Lunala or get rid of the marshadow_(gloom) tag entirely, but I'm not sure whether people would be down for that. For now, I'll just test the waters with this BUR before creating any more.

BKaz20 said:
... Granted, if things are to be kept consistent with other Pokémon, then we'd either have to create "(normal)" tags for Reshiram/Zekrom/Kyurem and Solgaleo/Lunala or get rid of the marshadow_(gloom) tag entirely, but I'm not sure whether people would be down for that. For now, I'll just test the waters with this BUR before creating any more.

If Marshadow (Gloom) is the base form, does it even need a distinct tag? If you just want to search the base form it seems simple enough to filter out zenith. I'd support nuking the gloom tag.

Also, calling it marshadow_(normal) makes it sound like it somehow has a normal-type variant rather than referring to its base form.

BUR #43468 has been approved by @nonamethanks.

nuke marshadow_(gloom)

Alternate BUR, per Akihi's suggestion.

The bulk update request #43460 (forum #365267) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #43468 (forum #365311) has been approved by @nonamethanks.

The bulk update request #43461 (forum #365270) has been rejected by @nonamethanks.