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The idea that "no bangs" is ambiguous AND that "bangs" are too common to tag is absurd. Should we remove the 1girl tag because it would apply to so many images?
The fact that neither of these tags exist means there is NO WAY to search for images that either do or do not have bangs. Either one of these tags or the other needs to be reintroduced. Add "no bangs" if "bangs" is too common, or add "bangs" if "no bangs" is too ambiguous. Really, I don't think it would be bad to have both tags.
Idk about a "no bangs" tag but for now you can search for hairstyles without bangs, like hair slicked back, buzz cut or bangs pinned back.
Maiguel said:
Idk about a "no bangs" tag but for now you can search for hairstyles without bangs, like hair slicked back, buzz cut or bangs pinned back.
Forehead too.
So how would one search for images with any type of or with no bangs? I would have to list every tag for every kind of bangs in the search? Ridiculous, as is the notion that one would list every type of hairstyle with no bangs in the search. At least one of those tags I mentioned is necessary. If either tag existed, proper searches would then be possible.
musashi255 said:
So how would one search for images with any type of or with no bangs?
*_bangs or likewise -*_bangs catches most of them. funnily enough, searching -*_bangs exposes another part of the problem, which is that a lot of posts have bangs, but no corresponding tag. because bangs are so ubiquitous on the site, i imagine a lot of people either forget or simply do not bother to tag them.
*bangs or forehead will give you exactly what you want. But there's a pretty damn good reason bangs and no bangs were murdered in cold blood.
Here's topic #23003 for when the tag got deprecated, but I won't lie, as a user who came in a little after this tag got assassinated, I find it a little amusing to see people complaining about it when I think our bang tags started getting a lot better with it dead. Bangs is now home to a variety of bang styles, for all your bang needs, but at the end of the day we don't need a tag for a post that applies to 98% of characters with hair.
Knowledge_Seeker said:
there's a pretty damn good reason ... no bangs were murdered in cold blood.
Not really, there's hairstyles out there where none of the alternatives provided in the no bangs wiki apply, and forehead wiki says to tag it on posts where forehead is especially prominent, which it won't always be on posts with characters that don't have bangs. I don't see how lack of bangs is an ambiguous concept either.
What exactly are you trying to search for? Show us some examples for what you're trying to search but aren't able to find.
no bangs was ambiguous because it meant both hairstyles with no bangs and hairstyles where the bangs were just pinned back or parted. It was a bad tag because there were all kind of different things in it that had no sense being grouped together.
So obviously if bangs are so prolific that 98% of posts should have them, then a "no bangs" tag WOULD be appropriate. And that tag should NOT include images where the bangs are pinned back or whatever it should be reserved for images where the character has NO BANGS, such as someone who lets their hair grow naturally and does not cut it at all, for example.
If it's SO uncommon for characters to not have bangs, due to how ubiquitous bangs are, then obviously having NO bangs would be noteworthy enough to deserve a tag. That is what I am looking for and I should not have to sift through a million images of untagged specific bangs types to find it, nor should people be forced to figure out what specific types of bangs a character has in order to tag it, and presumably there would be infinite possible styles of bangs, making it likely that they may not find an exact match and thus wouldn't tag it.
If we are worried about people forgetting to tag "bangs" every time because bangs are so ubiquitous, then we should obviously just have a "no bangs" tag for images where the character has NO bangs.
Upon reviewing the discussions where these tags were removed, it is clear that they were done separately and with no consideration to both being removed at once. The "nuke bangs" thread even specifically says:
"it makes much more sense to have a no_bangs tag than this mess"
Bring back the "no bangs" tag.
nonamethanks said:
Show examples of posts you want to find under a no bangs tag.
post #9584440, post #9584424, post #9583102,
Just from a quick search with "-bangs", and yes i had to sift through countless images of untagged bangs just to find some examples, clearly showing that there is a need for this tag and the current system is not sufficient. I don't even blame people for not tagging every bangs with the proper type, as i said previously.
Reintroducing the "no bangs" tag is the most logical solution, it was deprecated without enough consideration to the consequences.
aster1a said:
You’re the one proposing it.
You can create a favorite group with the posts you’d like to see tagged with no bangs and show it here, as an example of how it would look and how it could be useful.
No one should have to sift through a million images that aren't tagged with bangs to find images which actually don't have bangs in order to prove that the tag should exist, it's immediately obvious to anyone upon first attempting to search for images without bangs that it is not currently possible. There is no reason to not have that tag so that people can't tag or find images with that tag.
How do i propose reintroducing this tag aside from creating this forum post? I have been on the site for a long time but i'm new to actually proposing improvements...
musashi255 said:
How do i propose reintroducing this tag aside from creating this forum post? I have been on the site for a long time but i'm new to actually proposing improvements...
Welcome to Danbooru. Sifting through an entire tag search to find exactly what you need in order to create a favgroup to propose a new tag (or in this case, undeprecate an old tag) is pretty much the norm, and what I do whenever I go to propose a new tag. That'd be my advice: make a BUR advocating for the undeprecation of the no bangs tag in this very thread after populating a favgroup to fill it. That's how the normal flow of things is here.
If it makes things any easier, I usually aim for a 100 posts in a favgroup, barring attempts to prove a point numbers wise or the search I'm using being just small enough for me to not need to sift through everything. I recommend starting there and building your case for what the undeprecated no bangs tag will involve. Though do keep in mind you will have to deal with the additional step of proving it was deprecated under poor circumstances (which going from the discourse around it here, seems like it will be a fairly easy step ngl). Yes, this is a lot of work. Yes, it is often annoying. But when one is passionate (or in my case often, annoyed enough), it ends up being worth it.
Knowledge_Seeker said:
Welcome to Danbooru. Sifting through an entire tag search to find exactly what you need in order to create a favgroup to propose a new tag (or in this case, undeprecate an old tag) is pretty much the norm, and what I do whenever I go to propose a new tag. That'd be my advice: make a BUR advocating for the undeprecation of the no bangs tag in this very thread after populating a favgroup to fill it. That's how the normal flow of things is here.
If it makes things any easier, I usually aim for a 100 posts in a favgroup, barring attempts to prove a point numbers wise or the search I'm using being just small enough for me to not need to sift through everything. I recommend starting there and building your case for what the undeprecated no bangs tag will involve. Though do keep in mind you will have to deal with the additional step of proving it was deprecated under poor circumstances (which going from the discourse around it here, seems like it will be a fairly easy step ngl). Yes, this is a lot of work. Yes, it is often annoying. But when one is passionate (or in my case often, annoyed enough), it ends up being worth it.
I personally do not currently have time to sift through the mess that the short sighted deprecation of this tag has left us with to find 100 examples, and it is a absurd that it would be required with such an obvious fix with no downside, even if that is the norm for most (probably less obvious) cases. I will try to do the other things you mentioned when I can, and if anyone else who is interested in the quality of this site and the experiences of those who use it is inclined, please feel free to contribute however you desire, as the sooner this is fixed, the sooner the ability to search for the tag "no bangs" will return a significant number of the desired posts. Otherwise when I do have time, likely after a few months at least, I will consider contributing some of that time to this effort.
And thank you to those of you who have assisted with this!
