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jxh2154 said:
So in this case, the question is if a cosplay would be goddess_madoka goddess_madoka_(cosplay) (like the Serenity example NWF gave) or goddess_madoka goddess_madoka_(cosplay) kaname_madoka.
Someone cosplay Madoka:
Despite the fact that they are the same character, appearance-wise they are not. Goddess Madoka has visual characteristics that are significantly different from the original that without our foreknowledge that they are one and the same character we wouldn't be tagging them the same. Certainly some of those differences are easily changed (clothing, hairstyle), but eye color and hair length (particularly going in the direction of short to long) aren't things that are readily changed (since such things inherently define a character, they tend to be kept fairly static).
Additionally, this can be seen as nothing more than a variant of the magical girl form. We do not implicate magical personas to their original non-transformed-selves.
No implication means we want to separate them entirely. If so can I go ahead and detag kaname_madoka off any post only depict her deity form?
However if there're still people argue "searching for X should return all posts that have X, no matter if she transformed or not" then please do the taggers a favor and implicate the base character.
NWF_Renim said:
Despite the fact that they are the same character, appearance-wise they are not.
Now that is not a good point. The extent of distinction between "normal" and "transformed" character version do not come into play here. What's important is if we decide to give the "transformed" version a name or not, and if we do, whether we want to tag separately (seeing them as 2 distinct characters) or just a character variant.
To demonstrate: kaenbyou_rin_(cat) implicated kaenbyou_rin despite the huge difference in appearance.
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In general, just tell me what I should do. If you expect me to always tag kaname_madoka to any goddess post, then may as well implicate it for convenience sake.
You're bring up something that is similar, but different from this situation. My argument was based that they're both humans, you're bringing up a change in which the character has changed what body form they are. You can't compare these two, despite similarities. We identify human characters from these series by their eye color, hair color, hair length, etc. Changing these inherently changes our recognition of the character. These are significantly important aspects that define a character as that character. I'm comparing apples to apples, where you're using a change that compares apples to oranges.
Anyways, the general policy for magical girl shows has been not to implicate the characters alternate personas. We've been rather consistent on that, and personally I'd rather maintain our consistency in this policy.
May as well solve this now. How is everyone's opinion on the matter? Should images of solely magical girls (example: cure marine) include the normal name (kurumi erika) as well?
rantuyetmai said:
May as well solve this now. How is everyone's opinion on the matter? Should images of solely magical girls (example: cure marine) include the normal name (kurumi erika) as well?
As far as I know, its a matter of different persona. So far, it seems like they aren't automatically implicated, so I say no.
Anelaid said:
As far as I know, its a matter of different persona. So far, it seems like they aren't automatically implicated, so I say no.
You are missing the point. The point is we don't have a policy on it. We've basically continually avoided making one.
Either we should have the transformed name implicate the civilian name, or we should have it stated, clearly, that only one is to be used.
We have...multiple precedents, which pull us in multiple directions.
I can make cogent arguments for both.
This also affects how we treat characters like ex keine, saber alter and other "alternate personae"
To borrow this thread for another matter involving episode 12 spoilers, should there be character tags for those other unnamed magical girls that appeared in the episode, or do we prefer to just add the extra tag for those now?
post #902889 -> viking girl (madoka magica)
post #902630 -> girl with bear (madoka magica)
And the others in post #904111... I haven't any ideas.
Ah hell, how about this, from left to right:
girl_in_purple_(madoka_magica)
girl_with_bear_(madoka_magica)
viking_girl_(madoka_magica)
circus_girl_(madoka_magica)
savanna_girl_(madoka_magica)
Any objections?
Upon a second watch of the first few minutes of episode 12, it's probable that circus_girl_(madoka_magica) is supposed to be from Tibet. Her clothing bears some resemblance, she's holding prayer beads, and the flags strung up everywhere look like Buddhist prayer flags.
(Where did the fan artists get the idea to draw her with a headdress and a tiered skirt, though? She doesn't have either of those. Did I forget about another appearance?)
Fencedude said:
Either we should have the transformed name implicate the civilian name, or we should have it stated, clearly, that only one is to be used.
I think we should tag a transformed character, provided they look similar enough, with their "civilian name". I wouldn't also tag parody or cosplay involving the transformed form with the civilian name, though, so an implication is still not appropriate.
EB said:
I wouldn't also tag parody or cosplay involving the transformed form with the civilian name, though
Someone cosplays normal or transformed Sayaka will both be given miki sayaka (cosplay) and miki sayaka tag. Why shouldn't someone cosplay cure melody be given houjou hibiki tag as well? That sounds contradicting.
