I think I need to give my opinions regarding this, though I would prefer the janitors/admins here to voice out theirs as well.
Pyrolight said: If we outright "ban" copyrighted works should we grandfather in existing material and tag for deletion anything new?
If we're going to implement the latter, we'll need to put up some serious reminder in the rules and regulations of posting. We won't want someone to scream his head off when he's seeing all red after he has a doujin dumping spree, of example.
Here's something I want to suggest, perhaps a new thread for opinions regarding a set of doujin before uploading, as what I've done before when posting up a 100+ pages of a series . On the plus side of the idea, any janitor/admin supporting the series might help to approve it. The problem might be having another thread to deal with, when we'll already have our hands full with the appeal and upload feedback threads, I believe...
so basically a Quality Check kind of forum topic? people can ask before hand if a series or set of images would be acceptable before anyone actually uploads them?
if we make that, would it only focus on doujins or should we expand that to pretty much everything? just a place for people to ask before hand if something is good enough to be uploaded and approved on danbooru? something like that may help reduce the ammount of pictures that are uploaded, though would probably mean more work in the forums.
F.I.A said: I think I need to give my opinions regarding this, though I would prefer the janitors/admins here to voice out theirs as well.
Ya atm this is all pie in the sky until jhx and co. add their feelings.
Here's something I want to suggest, perhaps a new thread for opinions regarding a set of doujin before uploading, as what I've done before when posting up a 100+ pages of a series .
Would it really be worth it. Sure I can see for huge doujin but really how many of those are left?
Zekana said: so basically a Quality Check kind of forum topic? people can ask before hand if a series or set of images would be acceptable before anyone actually uploads them?
if we make that, would it only focus on doujins or should we expand that to pretty much everything? just a place for people to ask before hand if something is good enough to be uploaded and approved on danbooru? something like that may help reduce the ammount of pictures that are uploaded, though would probably mean more work in the forums.
It might turn into a monster and in a sense double the workload.
I think we really need a clear and obvious "this is crap don't upload it" thread linked in the upload section with a large (say 100 images) of stuff that generally would not pass and put in sections (bat art, boring, etc.) with reasons why.
Also it would have to be uploaded by mods/admins/janitors so as to be neutral and represent no ones uploads (or just use Mr GT).
I'd like such a thread. Quality control is one of the main points of Danbooru next to tagging and artist indexing so by no mean it's extra work. Users already send me mails asking whether they should upload certain posts anyway.
Zekana said: if we make that, would it only focus on doujins or should we expand that to pretty much everything? just a place for people to ask before hand if something is good enough to be uploaded and approved on danbooru? something like that may help reduce the ammount of pictures that are uploaded, though would probably mean more work in the forums.
I think it should be limited to sets and not just a picture or two. Generally, the latter are not that severe enough to put a dent on the upload ratio (and the uploader's temper as well . Just citing an example here.)
A quality check thread would be pretty good, especially for something long. Maybe a word of forewarning to users who aren't sure if they should post the doujin, such as: "How many ratings/bookmarks/page views did this get?" "Do you find this funny/amusing/awesome on a second glance (even without a translation)?"
Regarding doujin samples, I would say they should be discouraged, as the intent is to entice the reader to buy the full doujin. The samples are only half a story and might prompt users to upload the rest of the doujin when it does come out. I'm neutral on 4koma samples as some of them can stand alone by themselves, but almost might make users upload the rest of the set. This issue only really comes about around Comiket, Reitaisai or any other convention anyways.
Mysterio006 said: And to learn that サンプル = "sample".
Echoing that same sentiment. 見本 as well. If there is something that looks like a cover page with 4-8 pages of comics, then it's most probably a sample.
Pyrolight said: 2. Copyrighted material should be aggressively discouraged.
Almost everything on the site is copyrighted material. There would be barely anything here (relative to the current amount) if it was aggressively discouraged.
EB said: Almost everything on the site is copyrighted material. There would be barely anything here (relative to the current amount) if it was aggressively discouraged.
Copyrighted was not the correct term I should have used Scanlations.
Basically if you can't link back to it, it should not be uploaded (everything that exists would be grandfathered) here.
So, basically you mean just third-party scans of doujin comics? I don't really think we should make a hard rule against that, though. It's rare, but there are some cases where many or all pages have stand-alone value, and that's what I consider worth approving. The status quo seems fine with me, since many janitors seem to pass them by if they're not interesting enough anyway and they die in the queue.
There are some artists such as ishikei and a1 that release very high-quality doujinshi that would be disappointing if they weren't allowed anymore. (Granted, a1's products are usually higher res versions of artwork previously posted on his website.) I'd like an admin to comment on this.
I also don't think we should ban all scanned doujins, some do have very good stand-alone images that I upload once in a while. I mainly just don't like people who upload entire doujins and comics.
I think we should have a forum thread in which we discuss the possible removal of pools and images due to their having little value. There's still a lot of sample pools and doujin pools out there. The person who created the pool can present his case, if he wishes I suppose.
Mysterio006 said: I also don't think we should ban all scanned doujins, some do have very good stand-alone images that I upload once in a while. I mainly just don't like people who upload entire doujins and comics.
And that just means we'll remain as we are currently. Also, quality is rather subjective from what I can see. Like, I have no problem with SK-II's usual works, but I'll be honest and say I'm not fond of his self-insert report manga, which tend to be in lower quality compared to his other works (And would most probably not be approved were they not by SK-II).
If anything, that single uploaded doujin page might just get other to search for said scanned doujin and upload the rest. It's either banning all scanned works, or dropping this whole plan altogether.
I think we should have a forum thread in which we discuss the possible removal of pools and images due to their having little value. There's still a lot of sample pools and doujin pools out there. The person who created the pool can present his case, if he wishes I suppose.
I think the Pointless Pools thread will do, though it'll be hard time removing samples from crowd's favorites like pool #3934.
I believe this needs to be brought to attention since a single member has uploaded 250 scans within July alone, with some having questionable qualities to deserve the approval.
Of course, if such action is all fine to "preserve" these works, I don't think we should stop here. Surely enough, there are other scanned doujins (And H-doujins) out there with sufficient quality to be uploaded here to be preserved. Like, I wouldn't mind having the whole Miko Miko Suika series around for instance.
Edit: Here's a good suggestion for those who insist on uploading any works that are not publicly available
I suggest: Asking for the permissions directly from the artist himself.
Edit2: @Log: I tend to consider scanlations as just "scanned works". Reworking the post.
Log said: You're confusing scans and scanlations, the latter being hard translated.
I make that mistake also but either or is it something we really want to be associated with?
I always thought one of the core ideas was that Danbooru did not steal artists works. A scan/lation is no matter how you look at it stealing the artists work.
