Confusion regarding derivative work tag

I'm confused with the use of the derivative work tag. For example post #894708 and post #837760 are tagged as derivative work yet most of the images for can't_be_this_cute arn't tagged as derivative work.

Should we really be using the tag derivative work for parody images? The reason i ask is because parody images are (for the most part) supposed to be humorous, it's not like the artist is wanting to maliciously plagiarize the original or just copy a pose because they thought it looked good. Maybe i'm misunderstanding what derivative work stands for on danbooru, but i thought the fact that we tagged images with parody covered the fact that it was based on another image.

Parodies generally shouldn't be tagged derivative work, in my opinion, but there might be a handful of exceptions. I wouldn't tag either of those as derivative.

Log said:
Parodies generally shouldn't be tagged derivative work, in my opinion, but there might be a handful of exceptions. I wouldn't tag either of those as derivative.

That's what i was thinking too. How about post #935938? The pose has clearly been used to connect two characters together (Utena and Misuzu because kawakami_tomoko voiced them both). It should just be tagged as seiyuu_connection, i think. It's not a parody but i don't consider it derivative.

Maybe the wiki needs updating to be a bit more clear.

It might be worthwhile to still tag them derivative_work, as it provides one major piece of information that parody or any other current tag alone doesn't. It informs the user that the image pretty much can be overlaid over an original image and match up with it.

NWF_Renim said:
It might be worthwhile to still tag them derivative_work, as it provides one major piece of information that parody or any other current tag alone doesn't. It informs the user that the image pretty much can be overlaid over an original image and match up with it.

This, provided that the original image can be made its parent post.

NWF_Renim said:
It might be worthwhile to still tag them derivative_work, as it provides one major piece of information that parody or any other current tag alone doesn't. It informs the user that the image pretty much can be overlaid over an original image and match up with it.

I understand what you mean. Maybe i'm being a bit too pedantic but I see a difference between images that are based on another as a parody or some other meaningful connection as different from plagiarism or using a pose because you like it. But if we do come to a conclusion that we should use derivative_work on these images i will make sure to add the tag.

Fine as Renim said as long as it doesn't apply to well established parodies that would otherwise flood the derivative_work tag. Starting to search for derivative_work -parody looks awkward to me.

Just to clarify: if it matches the original scene/picture in terms of linework and composition with a high degree if similarity, then yes, derivative work. If it's done as a clear and obvious parody, then tag it parody as well - there can be overlap between the two.

Cyberia-Mix said:
Fine as Renim said as long as it doesn't apply to well established parodies that would otherwise flood the derivative_work tag. Starting to search for derivative_work -parody looks awkward to me.

Well one thing is those that are well establish and large tend to have their own tag. In those cases we could just include a link in the wiki instead of tagging those images under such tags.

NWF_Renim said:
Well one thing is those that are well establish and large tend to have their own tag. In those cases we could just include a link in the wiki instead of tagging those images under such tags.

Such as can't_be_this_cute?

So the best thing to do is leave any well established parodies without the derivative_work tag, but use derivative_work if there are only a few parody images that will not get a separate tag and where possible make the original image the parent.

I will start sorting the images out tomorrow, unless there is a problem with this solution.