Tag to Pools: bizarro tag

Making the bizarro tag into a pool.

Reasons: Very Subjective, lack of post.

i would suggest to remove the tag and wiki entry, since it seems only two users were using it since 2009.

I think an atypical_demeanor tag or pool would not be a bad idea. I certainly wouldn't delete the tags without further discussion, it's an idea that has merit. Yes it's subjective, but when we're speaking polar opposites to a character's canonical depiction, it's not likely to be too contentious.

^ that's a better idea i guess and the name is much better and direct. hopefully it will be more recognizable.

I'm not requesting for a complete removal of the tag but I think it would be better to lower the subjective tags since the main purpose of the tags as said are to objectives as possible.

And beside, I think it will be more recognizable if this tag will be turn into a pool.

But if ever not, I think renaming it as opposite_persona or alternate_persona so that it can be more understandable.

"Alternate" and "atypical" can mean many things. "Opposite" has the least amount of ambiguity, so use that as the tag.

i noticed someone is using out_of_character and i thought it's a better term than bizarro. the meanings are pretty much the same. probably, i'll request for a tag alias instead: bizarro -> out_of_character

Then I would like also to include this in the aliasing.

bizarro, atypical_demeanor, opposite_persona -> out_of_charcter

But out_of_character is probably the most ambiguous name for it. Think about how often are characters, especially in fan works, technically out of character.

Opposite_persona is the least subjective and easily understood name you can have.

Not suppose to be a problem... but I think either out_of_character or the bizarro tag should be removed or be aliased to one another. Or alias both tags to opposite_persona instead.

still fine for me regarding the revisions:

create alias bizarro -> opposite_persona
create alias out_of_character -> opposite_persona
create alias atypical_demeanor -> opposite_persona

+1 for opposite persona to replace bizarro.
+1 for aliasing bizarro -> opposite persona
-1 for aliasing out of character -> opposite persona
-1 for aliasing atypical demeanor -> opposite persona

The latter two are bad ideas because *opposite* has a clear and specific meaning, and is only a subset of the general concepts of out of character moments and atypical demeanors.

Take Achi Cirno in post #546251. There's a clear opposite relationship between fire & ice. Now, what if you made a plant/wood Cirno with leaf wings and a green dress? Or a lightning Cirno?

She wouldn't be an *opposite*, but she's be *atypical*.

In fact, it would be better for opposite demeanor to imply atypical demeanor than for the latter to be a mere alias for the former because atypical demeanor can include more differences than clear opposites like fire & ice.

So, I'd instead suggest:
alias bizarro -> opposite persona
opposite persona implies atypical demeanor
alias out of character -> atypical demeanor

How about alternate_persona? We use alternate for color, hairstyle, etc.

Edit: I see Lunatic6 suggested this as well.

So uh... what now, should we use alternate_persona, atypical_demeanor or opposite_persona?

I think if we used alternate_persona, even dark_persona would be under that tag.

dark_persona seems a bit subjective,but understandably so.It also seems to imply a negative portrayal of the person

opposite_persona sounds the most appropriate,although a bit subjective as well

alternate_persona sounds more fitting,as mentioned already

We've already discussed why alternate_persona is ambiguous.

It can be pretty difficult to define what exactly is someone's personality, so tagging a depiction as opposite rather than merely atypical will probably be a rare event.

I mean, if someone with fire powers is depicted with ice powers and a similar change in demeanour then it's probably a good candidate for whatever ends up replacing bizarro, but would that really apply to post #1099752 for instance?
(depicted: Nagato Yuki with an attitude in her body language but still as emotionless as ever expression-wise)

So I say alternate_persona or ooc would be useful tags on their own.

EDIT: Although, to prevent every single page of many doujins to get it, we could only tag the first page in a series? Usually that's only done with pools though...

To summarize all explanation we could have this:

Aliasing

bizarro -> opposite_persona
out_of_character -> alternate_persona
atypical_demeanor -> alternate_persona

Implicating

dark_persona -> alternate_persona
opposite_persona -> alternate_persona

What do you think?

EDIT: I'll also add this

opposite_persona: Opposite self (ex: A fire user which actually an ice user)
alternate_persona Unusual self (ex: A bad guy acting kind) that can cover up opposite_persona and dark_persona.

I'd support Lunatic6's proposal.

I don't quite like the use of the word "persona" in this.
Every dual_persona and multiple_persona would by definition implicate alternate_persona.

out_of_character is about behavior (post #488443 (except Reimu's case), and actually 99% of all pairings) whereas alternate "persona" would cover everything from behavior over hair- and eye colors to clothes.

For Cirno, alternate_persona and opposite_persona could mean either her using fire instead of ice or her being intelligent. This can include even genderswaps and adult versions.