The concern was over privacy, however. Nobody really needs to know what anyone else is voting up or down.
If we did enable this again I'd say it people should only be able to see their own votes.
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Fred1515 said:
Once again, problem fixed.Btw why did you have the mass edit tool set to vote down? You aren't the guy Scalar mentioned in forum #37850 by any chance, are you?
(late response) I didn't see Scalar's name in that post, but I hope not. The only time I'll use a mass downvote is when someone posts a bunch of henti_key pics or something similarly awful. It's extremely rare.
Glad this got bumped because I missed it and I was thinking of making a thread about what Jxh2154 and Shinjidude proposed. But I'm not sure whether or not that would add an extra load to the system and after last time's server trouble I'm weary of anything that might make the problem pop up again.
gladwort said:
(late response) I didn't see Scalar's name in that post, but I hope not. The only time I'll use a mass downvote is when someone posts a bunch of henti_key pics or something similarly awful. It's extremely rare.
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I only rarely check the comments section, and even more rarely reply. But I'm on the forum a lot.
So I see "Edit | Delete | Respond" on the forums and Respond is almost always what I'm using.
Then in comments I see " Quote | Delete | Vote up | Vote down". And I'm so used to clicking the last one that I end up voting people down when trying to reply. Argh.
At the very least what I'd want is a confirmation pop-up.
Action_Kamen said:
For the record I'm Scalar. Albert was kind enough to change my username since I was being too paranoid.
Argh. This is just stupid. Anyone can change their username at any time, and there's absolutely no hint whatsoever for everyone else. It has happened with enough high-profile users by now that I at least consider it a real problem. I'd be in favour of instituting a fixed policy of "user names can't be changed" to replace the current "email albert to change your username".
I really don't know why it should matter. At worst, there will be a misunderstanding and their previous reputation won't work to their benefit.
Allowing people to change their usernames (say to prevent a publicly known alias from showing up on Google alongside questionable content) only sounds fair.
I think we do need to hash out a stricter username policy to combat things such as the ability to have users "Anonymous" and "anonymous" (two different people) from forum #40627, or the potential abuse of Unicode to spoof user accounts from forum #39824, but the ability to change one's username (while rather unusual) doesn't rank all that high as a problem in my mind, and is potentially useful for various reasons.
Shinjidude said:
I really don't know why it should matter. At worst, there will be a misunderstanding and their previous reputation won't work to their benefit.
Or equally to their disadvantage.
There was nothing to tell me that [removed by mod], which is ridiculous in a thread spending a good chunk of time discussing Scalar's posts, as is evidenced by the confusion above. People have names for a reason.
I use the association between names and actions for many moderational tasks. I check if I have sent earlier notices by dmail by using a name search. I decide whether investigate further on bad comments based on whether I've seen the commenter's name before. I sometimes need to contact people I haven't seen actively talking in ages -- good luck trying to get a hold of opem (the guy who wrote the pixiv guide). As far as I'm aware, he's changed his name at least twice by now.
Allowing people to change their usernames (say to prevent a publicly known alias from showing up on Google alongside questionable content) only sounds fair.
You are on the internet. If you don't have enough common sense to choose a name that won't connect your porn browsing to your everything else, you have no business being here in the first place.
I think we do need to hash out a stricter username policy to combat things such as the ability to have users "Anonymous" and "anonymous" (two different people) from forum #40627, or the potential abuse of Unicode to spoof user accounts from forum #39824, but the ability to change one's username (while rather unusual) doesn't rank all that high as a problem in my mind, and is potentially useful for various reasons.
Spoofing is another issue altogether. I agree it should be dealt with, but that doesn't mean people changing their names willy-nilly with no trace is any less bad. Names shouldn't change. I'd be willing to accept a single exception, which is accounts that were meant purely for browsing and have some stupid throwaway name such as dickslayer117, but the user wants to start being active now without losing their favourites. That is, accounts with no or close to no previous public activity -- uploads, forum, wiki, comments, edits, and importantly no negative records. In any other case, where the account has in fact been used for any significant activity, it shouldn't be allowed to rename it.
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葉月 said:
I use the association between names and actions for many moderational tasks. I check if I have sent earlier notices by dmail by using a name search. I decide whether investigate further on bad comments based on whether I've seen the commenter's name before. I sometimes need to contact people I haven't seen actively talking in ages -- good luck trying to get a hold of opem (the guy who wrote the pixiv guide). As far as I'm aware, he's changed his name at least twice by now.
Then, I suggest albert should create and maintain list of username changes he did and make it somehow (hmm..) available and visible only for moderators (and definitely not visible for google/any web bots). Change of usernames will be still possible, but noone will escape spanish inquisition- I mean, vigilant eye of moderator.
But I don't want to track these either. It's not at all obvious when people change their names, and I still wouldn't have a clue about Action Kamen being Scalar if that hadn't been mentioned. If I had to check the list before each and every moderator action, it'd make everything take 3x as much time. That won't fly, it already takes up way too much of my life.
Changing user name != clearing his danbooru record. User's name is his secondary attribute, and such list would be secondary solution of the problem, I still think it's a good deal.
People have their, more or less important, reasons to change their username because, well this is internet - everything changes. Remember that you CAN'T close and delete your danbooru account. So, even if you're simple member, you can't register new account without danger of being banned as sockpuppeter. Not to mention about all higher tier users, where such action would completly without sense.
Limiting number of user's name changes would be perfectly acceptable idea though. For example only after some time since registration and not more often than once per year (or two, three...)
葉月 said:
You are on the internet. If you don't have enough common sense to choose a name that won't connect your porn browsing to your everything else, you have no business being here in the first place.
To be fair I signed up with that name three years ago, Ive smartened up since then and at the time it wasn't an issue for me. Times have changed.
葉月 said:
But I don't want to track these either. It's not at all obvious when people change their names, and I still wouldn't have a clue about Action Kamen being Scalar if that hadn't been mentioned. If I had to check the list before each and every moderator action, it'd make everything take 3x as much time. That won't fly, it already takes up way too much of my life.
Couldn't the user record be an end all end all for tracking purposes? Not only can you track their record but could it be possible to add user notes like "Formerly scalar" "This guy makes inane comments has been warned before" etc.
I agree with Richie, A limit to a name change and some prerequisites before doing so would also curb what you're afraid might happen.
0xCCBA696 said:
Uh, Action_Kamen, you know the forum is spidered by google, right?
I don't know what that means.
He's saying that because you put "NewName = OldName" in the forums, Google will read that, index it, and any searches for "OldName" will return "NewName = OldName".
That would basically lead people to be able to attach your current username to the old one you were trying to hide and potentially make the name change moot. If it's a concern, you could have jxh2154 go back and censor it for you.
Shinjidude said:
He's saying that because you put "NewName = OldName" in the forums, Google will read that, index it, and any searches for "OldName" will return "NewName = OldName".That would basically lead people to be able to attach your current username to the old one you were trying to hide and potentially make the name change moot. If it's a concern, you could have jxh2154 go back and censor it for you.
I shot myself in the foot, shit. Well Ive asked for enough favors so I should just live with the spider google thing.
richie said:
Changing user name != clearing his danbooru record. User's name is his secondary attribute, and such list would be secondary solution of the problem, I still think it's a good deal.
People have their, more or less important, reasons to change their username because, well this is internet - everything changes. Remember that you CAN'T close and delete your danbooru account. So, even if you're simple member, you can't register new account without danger of being banned as sockpuppeter. Not to mention about all higher tier users, where such action would completly without sense.
Limiting number of user's name changes would be perfectly acceptable idea though. For example only after some time since registration and not more often than once per year (or two, three...)
Action_Kamen said:
Couldn't the user record be an end all end all for tracking purposes? Not only can you track their record but could it be possible to add user notes like "Formerly scalar" "This guy makes inane comments has been warned before" etc.I agree with Richie, A limit to a name change and some prerequisites before doing so would also curb what you're afraid might happen.
You're both missing the point completely. There's a million ways somebody can make an impression (be it negative or positive), and these very often determine whether I will act the next time I spot the same name. I can't possibly put everything in notes, for several reasons:
Limiting the rate of name changes does absolutely nothing to fix any of these problems. It's another of "I have NFC what the problem is, so I'll just propose some meaningless limit here or there". This kind of content-free drivel is the scourge of this forum and it crops up every single time there's anything even resembling a technical discussion about how danbooru works. Seriously people, stop that.