Danbooru

multiple face/hand tags

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Shinjidude

I'd nominate:

{mouth_cover, hand_over_mouth} -> covering_mouth
{cover_eyes} -> covering_eyes

Hand_on_head, covering_eyes, and facepalm seem fine left as is.

I don't know that we should do any further unification grouping beyond that.

EDIT: Actually after checking, there are less than a handful of posts in cover_eyes, and mouth_cover, so I don't see that even an alias would be neccessary.

Hand_over_mouth however is a majority-use tag, in which case we might want to reverse the alias I suggest above.

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    Flopsy

    I'm necroing this because the state of the hand-mouth tags is still confusing. We currently have:

    A lot of the confusion could be cleared up by adding wiki definitions for hand_over_mouth and hand_to_mouth. Then we could either let hand_over_mouth imply covering_mouth or alter the definition of the latter to make the tags disjoint.

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    Toks

    Flopsy said:
    I'm necroing this because the state of the hand-mouth tags is still confusing. We currently have:

    A lot of the confusion could be cleared up by adding wiki definitions for hand_over_mouth and hand_to_mouth. Then we could either let hand_over_mouth imply covering_mouth or alter the definition of the latter to make the tags disjoint.

    I say we do this:

    Define hand_over_mouth as:

    When a character uses their hand to cover someone's mouth (their own or another's).

    If their hand is near their own mouth but not covering it, use hand_to_mouth instead.

    Alias hands_over_mouth -> hand_over_mouth (I don't think whether it's one or two hands is a useful distinction)
    Alias hand_over_another's_mouth -> hand_over_mouth (This also doesn't seem like a useful distinction since the former only has 6 posts)
    Implicate hand_over_mouth -> covering_mouth
    Implicate hand_gag -> hand_over_mouth

    Define hand_to_mouth as:

    When a character puts their hand near their own mouth, such as when yawning or laughing.

    If their hand completely covers their own or someone else's mouth, use hand_over_mouth instead.

    (Since we don't have a single image tagged hand_to_another's_mouth I assume that hand_to_mouth can only be used for one's own mouth.)
    Alias hands_to_mouth -> hand_to_mouth (Same as hands_over_mouth)

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    Flopsy

    Those definitions look good to me. It's a pity that no other users have commented on this issue. Do you think one of us should try posting your proposal as a standardized alias/implication request for jxh2154?

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    Flopsy

    You could choose to leave hand_over_another's_mouth in place, let it implicate (not alias) hand_over_mouth and go ahead with the rest of the changes. Then, if hand_over_another's_mouth ever gets populated, retagging could be handled by scripted mass edits. (Remove the implication, remove h_o_m from all images with h_o_a_m, replace remaining h_o_m with hand_over_own_mouth.)

    I can see the point of the own/another's distinction, but the resulting tags are just too cumbersome. I'm willing to accept this kind of ambiguity as an unavoidable consequence of the flat tag data model.

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    Cyberia-Mix

    I went through hand_to_mouth to see if a hand_to_another's_mouth tag would be useful.

    One case where it makes sense is during feeding (post #1344101), but I believe feeding alone is already enough.
    Other cases are already currently tagged hand_on_another's_face. Creating hand_to_another's_face would make things more accurate but that's another story.

    So hand_to_mouth is fine imo. That said, we may want to move it to hand_to_own_mouth just to help preventing future mistaggings.

    Agree with the rest.

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    jxh2154

    Did:
    create alias hands_to_mouth -> hand_to_own_mouth
    create alias hands_to_own_mouth -> hand_to_own_mouth
    create alias hand_to_mouth -> hand_to_own_mouth

    create implication hand_over_own_mouth -> covering_mouth
    create implication hand_over_another's_mouth -> covering_mouth
    create implication hand_gag -> hand_over_another's_mouth

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