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I'd just like to add that I've had to unapprove a number of Seem's uploads myself for ToS violations - a number that is quite disproportionate for just one user.
Considering the trouble Snesso has been for the same reasons (and some greater difficulties), I'd question whether it was a good idea to keep him on as Janitor, as well. Under approver:snesso order:id_asc, there's a ToS-violator right there on page 1, so it's not as if he's stopped.
albert said:
I unbanned him because I think a three week ban for quoting a spoiler he didn't realize was a spoiler is excessive.
Just for the record, I think what you did was perfectly fine in the light of banned users not being able to dmail. My bans always operated on the assumption that people who got more than they deserved can show it easily just by contacting me. My inbox contains ample evidence that it works.
And I consider Madoka a special case. It's a show that's so absurdly popular and ubiquitous that it's kind of futile to try and shield yourself from 4 week old spoilers (I assume most of the complaints are about episode 3), especially on a site with such a heavy anime presence as this one.
[snip discussion of Schrobby who is perfectly fine a chap, as explained above]
I'd say that this makes it doubly important we enforce the policy (which is highlighted every time you make a comment, mind you) ruthlessly. I can't even browse danbooru two days after the new episode airs, because I don't watch either raws or the speedsubs. There are still many people who simply haven't got around to watching the show at all because they're busy with something else. I understand that FF7 spoilers are a lost cause and no longer to be reasonably treated as spoilers. But that's 14 years, not 4 weeks.
As an aside, you don't have to discuss recent happenings at length here. There are dedicated fora for that. The influx of users who do nothing but comment has been a huge strain on the site, resulting in comments being pretty much a lost cause. I don't see why we should go further and let them break more of site policies just because they've overrun the comments system.
Things I need to do: a way for janitors to edit comment so we leave an accountability trail.
Yes, please. We miss that badly.
Yes, I strongly support dropping Seem as a Janitor. It's not just the percentage of bad approvals to good. Approving good images is the easy part, and almost anyone who has been here a month and has the free time could do it. What really gets me is the terrible judgment in reapprovals.
albert said: And I consider Madoka a special case.
Especially prone to spoilers. Thus I feel we should be more careful about it, not less. Certainly, we can't shield the internet from spoilers for the most popular non-children's show currently airing. But there are ample places on the internet to discuss specific plot points. Danbooru has never been a terribly good place for that.
In general, I'm for draconian punishment of spoilers but will settle for reducing bans to a week.
Things I need to do: a way for janitors to edit comment so we leave an accountability trail.
This would be exceptionally helpful. I often catch myself trying to edit a questionable comment then remembering I can't.
The issue with Madoka is that its an ongoing series and its plot is pretty spoiler-heavy. The problem with the Episode 3 spoiler is that it a pretty massive chance in pace, although it was already heavily implied, and that many of the spoilers after that point are related to episode 3. I hate to use tvtropes terminology, but its the wham episode that marks a significant change in the story that also relates to further developments
So, as JXH said, just because something is spoiler heavy doesn't mean that there should not be punishment for spoilers. Especially for an ongoing series.
Is it possible to lock comments on a post? The bitching and moaning every time something gets flagged is like a bad déjà vu with different actors. Hardly anybody even realizes the purpose of it and they take every flag as a personal insult and an opportunity to start a shitstorm about tastes.
There's a trac ticket in about changing the wording of the dialog box. Might help some with the number of comments.
sgcdonmai said:
Considering the trouble Snesso has been for the same reasons (and some greater difficulties), I'd question whether it was a good idea to keep him on as Janitor, as well. Under approver:snesso order:id_asc, there's a ToS-violator right there on page 1, so it's not as if he's stopped.
You guys are still going on with this ToS crap? If that rule was really absolute, there wouldn't even be a scat or guro tag, but there they are, with plenty of pics in there. It's always been like that, "quality" ToS violation pic usually stay, while mediocre/bad stuff will get deleted. That's how it was and should be, quality over content, but god knows what happened.
Also, you do realize that you have ordered that search by id, and not time of approval (not even sure if its possible to search that), so the pics on the first page are REALLY old and I most probably approved them like ages ago?
Snesso said:
It's always been like that, "quality" ToS violation pic usually stay, while mediocre/bad stuff will get deleted.
I'll grant you that I made a mistake about the ordering, but this part is pretty wrong, considering that part of the problem is that you - like Seem - took it upon yourself to reapprove posts that really do not belong here, making it impossible to flag them where appropriate. This means that users who find such content objectionable are required to take up mods' time by sending them reports of said images' unacceptability and requests for removal.
I disagree that game CGs like post #157435 are of such overwhelming quality or value that they ought to be included despite the ToS violation. There are some images under gigantic_breasts that maybe deserve to stay, and that is not one of them.
I'm on Snesso's side in this. I've never agreed with that specific provision in the ToS and I never will. It adds the least out of all the other parts of the ToS, and only encourages some of us to go on crusades to remove content they've always been personally displeased with.
I want to see Albert's opinion of the matter, because I refuse to treat those kinds of images differently from any other image and I will approve those that I think meet quality standards (unless Albert says otherwise).
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