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I wouldn't even tag 1boy on post #1323521.
post #1337551... i guess tag 1boy + faceless.
These however, i would tag 1boy
post #1132389, post #1371672, post #1368662, post #1366727, post #1132389
So I'm all for a "rating:e" condition.
Borderline case: post #1305886 - probably also 1boy + faceless?
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itsonlyaname said:
1boy + faceless
Why 1boy if we have faceless_male?
So what do we decide on? I suggest someone else fixes the wiki for my English is rather fuzzy. I also suggest that in out_of_frame and 1boy wiki we specify that random faceless males aren't supposed to be tagged 1boy.
Btw, I know that head_out_of_frame excludes faceless_male. Maybe we should have two separate tags for random penis guys and males whose face is not drawn? Then those who do not wish to see males can exclude them and we wont have to tag them as *boy
More regarding faceless males and 1boy: post #38234. While his face/torso are visible, he isn't tagged 1boy, and I think that's right - he shouldn't be, unless it's a legitimate character, of course.
Type-kun said:
More regarding faceless males and 1boy: post #38234. While his face/torso are visible, he isn't tagged 1boy, and I think that's right - he shouldn't be, unless it's a legitimate character, of course.
In your example, a game cg, the male lead is apparently nameless (I checked it), but what if there was an identical image and they actually named the male lead? Seems pretty poor that just because one has a name tag and the other doesn't that one counts as a character and the other counts as nothing, even if their creator intended for both to be faceless-generic-everyguy.
So an image like http://g.e-hentai.org/s/40a0dbaafe/71888-40 or http://g.e-hentai.org/s/eca6d40d46/71888-64 wouldn't be 1boy, except that the creators bothered to give him a name, so now magically counts as a character.
edit: Just tossing some better/other examples. post #229514 (despite it not tagged, that is the male lead and he does have a name), post #344520 (male lead is named Hasekura Kouhei), and post #350501 (male lead is named Mito Yuuri).
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I agree with NWF Renim, character being nameless or faceless is not a reason to not tag his presence in the image.
As for the out_of_frame tag, I would go with definition/suggestion from forum #87831.
That's exactly why I'm bringing that up. What warrants those "generic penis wielders" a "*boy" tag? Name alone might not be enough, but if we were to tag them, wouldn't it be strange for a character to appear in chartag list, but not as "1boy"?
inb4 "tag only characters as *boy", that would create even more ambiguity for original artwork.
I don't know why this conversation is so focused on males when any hypothetical standards should apply equally to out of frame girls like the ones in the background of post #939635 or other similar posts.
Or something like post #562565 or anything framed like post #471633 which have identifiable characters but fall into the same category as the last few points of discussion.
How could post #38234 not tagged with 1boy?? If I want to find pictures with one-on-one hetero sexual activities, that post is exactly what I want when I search for 1girl 1boy rating:e. The same applies for post #1390358, I want it to appear when I search for 1girl ~2boys ~3boys rating:e so the 3boys tag should stay.
It's outrageous to remove information from pictures just because the depicted characters don't have a name. If anything, they should be tagged even more carefully because they don't have the luxury of a character tag to enable searching. If the artist is clearly drawing a guy/a girl in it, tag it so.
If a body part (hand/leg/torso/penis) is attached to a body and you are able to tell the gender of that person, count it as 1boy/1girl and add up the number normally.
Use solo_focus, 2girls_focus, 3girls_focus, etc. when appropriate. This shouldn't affect the male/female count stated above.
If a body part is not attached to a body, such as the case of magic_penis or severed_head, it shouldn't be counted as a person and thus not getting 1boy/1girl tag.
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Sal.N said:
How could post #38234 not tagged with 1boy?? If I want to find pictures with one-on-one hetero sexual activities, that post is exactly what I want when I search for 1girl 1boy rating:e. The same applies for post #1390358, I want it to appear when I search for 1girl ~2boys ~3boys rating:e so the 3boys tag should stay.
It's outrageous to remove information from pictures just because the depicted characters don't have a name. If anything, they should be tagged even more carefully because they don't have the luxury of a character tag to enable searching. If the artist is clearly drawing a guy/a girl in it, tag it so.
If a body part (hand/leg/torso/penis) is attached to a body and you are able to tell the gender of that person, count it as 1boy/1girl and add up the number normally.
Use solo_focus, 2girls_focus, 3girls_focus, etc. when appropriate. This shouldn't affect the male/female count stated above.
If a body part is not attached to a body, such as the case of magic_penis or severed_head, it shouldn't be counted as a person and thus not getting 1boy/1girl tag.
I mostly agree with this. Or at the very least, any character whose face/head (or more than, say, a third of their body) is visible should be counted. (Disregarding photo_(object), crowd scenes like post #25216, and such, of course)
But I question the validity of tagging 2girls and yuri on post #562565. To me, the head is clearly not identifiable as a specific gender or character. Of course this stuff all is somewhat subjective but even subjectivity has its limits.
jjj14 said:
But I question the validity of tagging 2girls and yuri on post #562565. To me, the head is clearly not identifiable as a specific gender or character. Of course this stuff all is somewhat subjective but even subjectivity has its limits.
The blog post accompanied that picture:
木津多祢
今日の一枚は「懺・さよなら絶望先生 番外地 上」から木津多祢さんです。Translation:
Kitsu Tane-san
Today's piece is Kitsu Tane-san from 'Zan Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei Bangaichi' first episode.
Combining with the headband and the pair of panties on the bed (Chiri's panties is still around her ankle), I'd say both 2girls and yuri tag are justified and not in the least subjective. Plus I'm sure people who search for sayonara_zetsubou_sensei yuri would like to see that post.
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Sal.N said:
How could post #38234 not tagged with 1boy?? If I want to find pictures with one-on-one hetero sexual activities, that post is exactly what I want when I search for 1girl 1boy rating:e.
Very true, guess i was heading the wrong way.
Hinacle said:
I don't know why this conversation is so focused on males when any hypothetical standards should apply equally to out of frame girls like the ones in the background of post #939635 or other similar posts.
Because images like the one in the first post are far more common then post #939635. But yes, the same applies to out of frame girls.
jjj14 said:
Or at the very least, any character whose face/head (or more than, say, a third of their body) is visible should be counted.
Yes, something like that. Anything to separate post #38234 from post #1399471.
itsonlyaname said:
Anything to separate post #38234 from post #1399471.
post #38234 - 1boy 1girl
post #1399471 - 1boy 1girl solo_focus
The *_focus tags are useful for counting the "main" characters in a picture. We should start using them more instead of resorting to not tagging the out of screen characters. Otherwise there'll be no way to separate stuff like e.g. post #1399471 from post #1390167 (different sexual partners number).
I think that creating a dozen additional _focus tags would be unnecessarily confusing compared to one out of frame tag.
S1eth said: There won't be any more than 1 *_focus tag.
Why does post #1403679 can have solo_focus but post #1392615 can't have 2girls_focus? I'm not trying to be stubborn, I just honestly can't see the logic here.
Toks said: I think that creating a dozen additional _focus tags would be unnecessarily confusing compared to one out of frame tag.
That's fine too. But then I'm questioning the value of solo_focus tag. Should it exist in the first place?
Sal.N said:
Why does post #1403679 can have solo_focus but post #1392615 can't have 2girls_focus? I'm not trying to be stubborn, I just honestly can't see the logic here.
If we create a 2girls_focus tag, we also need a 2boys_focus tag and a 1girl_1boy_focus tag, and let's not even go into the possible combinations with three+ characters.
Sal.N said:
That's fine too. But then I'm questioning the value of solo_focus tag. Should it exist in the first place?
solo could implicate solo_focus so that we then can use solo_focus in searches the same way we used the old solo tag.
Since they are currently mutually exclusive, all that changes would be that ~solo ~solo_focus becomes solo_focus and solo_focus becomes solo_focus -solo.
All that solo_focus does for me is that it prevents me from finding all images of single girl/boy if there is a (random) hand in the image (without using the OR operator ~ in my tag search)
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