John_Copeland said: Why do superhero fans fantasize about murder so much?
They do? What gives you that impression? And if they do, maybe it's frustration with the ridiculously insensible aversion to killing supervillains that so many superheroes exhibit.
Please check out that website and look through the people that ICE have arrested. You’ll see murder, rape, child rape, etc.
Tell me, should Wolverine kill the ICE agents arresting these criminals or would he kill the actual murderers or rapist that ICE is trying to get rid of? The answer is obvious but I don’t expect these leftist morons to understand that or at least do 10 seconds of research.
zzz_anton said in comment #2575702: or would he kill the actual murderers or rapists
Depends. I'm not too sure about the Ultimate version of him that tried to kill Scott just to get into Jean's pants, and tried to get into a 15-year old Mary-Jane's pants while in Peter Parker's body (never live that one down).
Please check out that website and look through the people that ICE have arrested. You’ll see murder, rape, child rape, etc.
Why would you trust anything they report when they've routinely made statements about the killing of Alex Pretti that are verifiably false from simply just watching all the camera footage of what transpired. They also barred local authorities from investigating the site of the shooting, even when a judge ordered them to allow local police access to the site, and only allowed access after they removed material that could be evidence. Furthermore there have been other incidents where they have removed evidence out of state and their testimonies have been extremely questionable such as the recent death in an ICE detention facility where staff said it was a "suicide" but was later ruled a homocide. Eyewitnesses stated the death was caused by facility staff, so of course ICE wants to deport the eyewitnesses as soon as possible.
The website I provided was available before the Alex Pretti incident. And you didn’t answer my question: would Wolverine kill murderers and rapists or would he kill law enforcement officers? You didn’t answer my question because you know Wolverine wouldn’t kill law enforcement and this artwork posted is complete bullshit.
Yes the Alex Pretti incident is unfortunate and we should hold those accountable but that doesn’t mean ICE should be abolished for one incident.
So answer my question: would Wolverine kill murderers or rapists or would he kill law enforcement officers? If you can’t answer that question then I’m sorry you’ve failed at life.
The website I provided was available before the Alex Pretti incident.
And DHS's abuses and lies have been going on before Alex Pretti's death as well. Given you can't trust what DHS says, saying Wolverine choosing to attack an ICE officer means defending murders and rapists is a pretty silly argument to make. In fact the CATO Institute of all people found that of those detained by ICE, 73% had no criminal convictions and only 5% had a violent criminal conviction. The majority of those with criminal convictions were for vice, immigration, or traffic convictions.
zzz_anton said in comment #2575711: Yes the Alex Pretti incident is unfortunate and we should hold those accountable but that doesn’t mean ICE should be abolished for one incident.
If you want to understand why ICE should be abolished, it's because it's a paramilitary abomination with national policing power beholden only to the executive branch and no one else. That is something the Founding Father's had deliberately went out of their way to try and prevent ever being created knowing that such an organization can only ever bring about tyranny. YouTube: Why Lawyers Want to Abolish ICE (A Legal Analysis)
The website I provided was available before the Alex Pretti incident. And you didn’t answer my question: would Wolverine kill murderers and rapists or would he kill law enforcement officers? You didn’t answer my question because you know Wolverine wouldn’t kill law enforcement and this artwork posted is complete bullshit.
Yes the Alex Pretti incident is unfortunate and we should hold those accountable but that doesn’t mean ICE should be abolished for one incident.
So answer my question: would Wolverine kill murderers or rapists or would he kill law enforcement officers? If you can’t answer that question then I’m sorry you’ve failed at life.
I think the point Grey is making is one about credibility. Why should I trust ICE's list, which claims that the people it's deported are all rapists and murderers, when it's also so willing to visibly and blatantly manipulate the facts about an unjustifiable homicide its agents committed?
Also, Wolverine is a member of a broadly-distrusted minority community understood to be "dangerous" in a way ordinary people aren't, and X-Men comics are frequently about the government or extremist groups cracking down on that minority.
So the victims of illegals don't matter and apparently is just media manipulation? LOL This is just barking at the wrong tree. Obama used ICE even harder than nowaday times, and Biden administration too and I didn't see nobody with this selective empathy. Anyways, this kinda reminds me when a kid is being bullied a lot, and he reflects his fantasies about getting justice through paper and drawings. With time, this will pass like anything else.
So the victims of illegals don't matter and apparently is just media manipulation? LOL This is just barking at the wrong tree. Obama used ICE even harder than nowaday times, and Biden administration too and I didn't see nobody with this selective empathy. Anyways, this kinda reminds me when a kid is being bullied a lot, and he reflects his fantasies about getting justice through paper and drawings. With time, this will pass like anything else.
Last I checked Obama's and Biden's ICE didn't behave like Gestapo thugs, arrest asylum seekers and US citizens, and hide their faces to dodge accountability.
People be cheering ICE going after the "violent illegals" when ICE goes after a granny whose a legal permanent resident and whose crime was the misdemeanor of having a $25 check bouncing over a decade ago and then paid it off with restitution and serving a 1-year probation. Sources: 1, 2.
So the victims of illegals don't matter and apparently is just media manipulation? LOL This is just barking at the wrong tree. Obama used ICE even harder than nowaday times, and Biden administration too and I didn't see nobody with this selective empathy. Anyways, this kinda reminds me when a kid is being bullied a lot, and he reflects his fantasies about getting justice through paper and drawings. With time, this will pass like anything else.
The idea of deporting illegal CRIMINALS is not an inherently bad thing. I think we can all agree that criminals should be arrested, and possibly even deported if they entered a country illegally.
If some guy from Mexico comes into the US illegally and either:
A. Commits a crime in the US.
Or B. Had committed crimes in Mexico before coming to the US.
Then they should 100% be arrested and deported. The people who are trying to frame the hate against ICE as being "Pro-criminals causing destruction in our home" are stupid and absolutely do not understand what the ACTUAL complaints are, and plain ignorant of the numerous miscarriages of justice or whatever that ICE has repeatedly committed in the past year.
If ICE was actually doing their job of deporting criminals, no one would be complaining. Instead, they're arresting, beating up, deporting (sometimes to the wrong country), and now killing, people who are here legally, who were born here, people who haven't done anything wrong, or using excessive force that is not at all appropriate for the supposed danger the victims were allegedly committing, all the while hiding their identities EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLIC GOVERNMENT AGENTS, and being shielded by a government for something as simple and LEGAL as performing an investigation into the numerous incidents that have occurred.
If a police officer shoots a gun, they should be investigated for whether the discharge was appropriate or not. If someone ends up DYING, they 1000% SHOULD be investigated. If the gunshot and death were legal and appropriate, the aggressor was an actual and reasonable threat, then the officer has nothing to worry about. Instead, the government won't even allow people to simply ask "hey so what exactly happened here?" They automatically go "Everything was absolutely legal, do not question it." Which is not how you want a government agency who has power and authority over you to act.
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