Dark_Massimo said: Really? Little arm cannon vs giant sentient machine that is billions of years old and can destroy an entire planet effortlessly.
Reapers>Samus
I like Samus, really I do. I just hate it when fanboys, and fangirls, turn her into a god-modded Mary Sue.
Girl blows up planets. That isn't an exaggeration, just look at Phaaze. The suit probably provides defense against Indoctrination, and her ship uses energy weapons and shielding technology (and non-mass-effect FTL) the Eezo-dependant reapers don't, giving enough of an advantage so she can get close enough to board and take them out from the inside.
giant sentient machine that is billions of years old and can destroy an entire planet effortlessly.
Oh please. It takes an entire fleet of Reapers to invade a single measly planet. Despite their size, their single useful ship-to-ship weapon is a cannon that fires molten metal. Reapers are pretty weakass in sci-fi terms, if not for their indoctrination ability. Block the indoctrination signal somehow (or have a resistant crew), and any decent ship is going to mop the floor with a reaper.
valens said: Oh please. It takes an entire fleet of Reapers to invade a single measly planet. Despite their size, their single useful ship-to-ship weapon is a cannon that fires molten metal. Reapers are pretty weakass in sci-fi terms, if not for their indoctrination ability. Block the indoctrination signal somehow (or have a resistant crew), and any decent ship is going to mop the floor with a reaper.
Obviuosly has not played ME1 and watched the human FLEET get pwned by Sovereign, by himself, until Shepard took him out from the inside, so to speak.
Dark_Massimo said: Obviuosly has not played ME1 and watched the human FLEET get pwned by Sovereign, by himself, until Shepard took him out from the inside, so to speak.
Fleet =/= planet, contrary to what the Death Star might make you think.
I think it's a moot point, suffice to say, no matter who a hero faces down, they'll do anything possible to win against the odds.
Samus might be facing her toughest challenge yet, but like any other hero/heroine, she'd find a way to win. After all, if Shephard can manage, what's stopping her from doing it?
Dark_Massimo said: Really? Little arm cannon vs giant sentient machine that is billions of years old and can destroy an entire planet effortlessly.
I'm just assuming; I mean, Samus has done what at least one Reaper can do. She also happens to have directed energy weapons and high-powered explosives. Not only that, but it would make sense for her Scanning Visor to do what its OP thing and point out structural weaknesses.
And even a grand alliance of virtually every ship in the goddamn galaxy can't take out the portion of the Reaper fleet stationed on Earth without a friggin' doomsday device.
Samus would need far more than her arm cannon and scanning visor to be effective against anything more than a single Reaper, and even then it would require her to be on the inside, blowing the shit out of it's internals.
After all, the boss fight on Rannoch reveals that even with a single Reaper and a known structural weakness, it took an entire fleet's worth of firepower several barrages PRECISELY AIMED at the weak point in order to take the bastard down.
TL;DR: Samus would be a valuable squadmate, but by herself she's just more Reaper fodder.
Shaomu said: I'm just assuming; I mean, Samus has done what at least one Reaper can do. She also happens to have directed energy weapons and high-powered explosives. Not only that, but it would make sense for her Scanning Visor to do what its OP thing and point out structural weaknesses.
Structural weaknesses? Clearly you haven't taken into account of the ridiculous strength of a Reaper's kinetic barrier. One Reaper has shields powerful enough to survive repeated barrage of entire fleets. Said fleets include Alliance dreadnoughts that fire NUKES as standard armament.
And then there's the problem of there being thousands of Reapers.
And no, don't bother attempting to destroy a Reaper from the inside; Samus's just going to end up being indoctrinated.
Mincemaker said: Structural weaknesses? Clearly you haven't taken into account of the ridiculous strength of a Reaper's kinetic barrier. One Reaper has shields powerful enough to survive repeated barrage of entire fleets. Said fleets include Alliance dreadnoughts that fire NUKES as standard armament.
And then there's the problem of there being thousands of Reapers.
And no, don't bother attempting to destroy a Reaper from the inside; Samus's just going to end up being indoctrinated.
Samus had a hyper-advanced Phazon infection that was basically biochemical Indoctrination by a Reaper-like entity with all the strength and will of a planet. It just pissed her off.
HaroldRowsdower said: Samus had a hyper-advanced Phazon infection that was basically biochemical Indoctrination by a Reaper-like entity with all the strength and will of a planet. It just pissed her off.
You underestimated indoctrination. It's a poorly understood process where the victim, exposed to a Reaper artifact, or hell, even a Reaper, gradually has their mind and will eroded to the point that they will eventually submit to the Reapers. And the worst part? They won't even realise it. She will find herself doing things that the Reapers want, things that would benefit the Reapers, and she won't even realise it. This happened to Saren, who thought he's saving his race when all he did was making the extinction of his race all the more quicker, and this happened to The Illusive Man, who never realised that during the process of trying to control the Reapers, he is in fact, hindering all efforts of the Citadel (and other) races in defeating the Reapers. Neither of them realised what they were doing until the end, and it took alot of effort to make them realise that they were indoctrinated.
The process is irreversible. If she wants to kill a Reaper, she has to do it from the outside.
And Reapers have killed planets worth of races. Hell, they cleansed the entire galaxy every 50 thousand years, what's a planet to them?
Mincemaker said: You underestimated indoctrination. It's a poorly understood process where the victim, exposed to a Reaper artifact, or hell, even a Reaper, gradually has their mind and will eroded to the point that they will eventually submit to the Reapers. And the worst part? They won't even realise it. She will find herself doing things that the Reapers want, things that would benefit the Reapers, and she won't even realise it. This happened to Saren, who thought he's saving his race when all he did was making the extinction of his race all the more quicker, and this happened to The Illusive Man, who never realised that during the process of trying to control the Reapers, he is in fact, hindering all efforts of the Citadel (and other) races in defeating the Reapers. Neither of them realised what they were doing until the end, and it took alot of effort to make them realise that they were indoctrinated.
The process is irreversible. If she wants to kill a Reaper, she has to do it from the outside.
And Reapers have killed planets worth of races. Hell, they cleansed the entire galaxy every 50 thousand years, what's a planet to them?
They have wiped out the SURFACE of planets, yes. Glassed them from orbit. But that still leaves the planets themselves intact. The Reapers are still minds 2 km long at most. But Samus resisted the "irreversible" and subtle corruption of a mind 12,756 km in diameter. She was so far gone that her DNA didn't even register as human anymore, basically the Phazon equivalent of being huskified, and she was still in full control of her faculties and will.
Mincemaker said: You underestimated indoctrination. It's a poorly understood process where the victim, exposed to a Reaper artifact, or hell, even a Reaper, gradually has their mind and will eroded to the point that they will eventually submit to the Reapers.
Indoctrination takes time, and not just a little of it. If they want to control Samus, find a way to override her suit's servos and fire control systems, or drive a Husk Spike through her, and let it do its job.
ThunderBird said: Indoctrination takes time, and not just a little of it. If they want to control Samus, find a way to override her suit's servos and fire control systems, or drive a Husk Spike through her, and let it do its job.
It takes time, yes. But if she keeps going into each and every Reaper to kill them, it's only a matter of time before she starts thinking about things that the Reaper wants her to think. Thus far, there has been no protection whatsoever against indoctrination, besides being non-organic. Being 'not-human' is not even a protection. If there's a mind, it will be indoctrinated over time.
Dark_Massimo said: Obviuosly has not played ME1 and watched the human FLEET get pwned by Sovereign, by himself, until Shepard took him out from the inside, so to speak.
ME 'verse humans have pathetic tech. Kinetic barriers only, no real shields, flimsy steel armor. It's *our universe* with a mass effect physics component added. And even they held their own just fine -- otherwise Sovereign wouldn't have bothered bringing in the geth fleet as a distraction.
Compare to practically any other sci-fi verse (hell, even just the Freespace 2 verse, where Bioware stole most of their ideas for this one).
NaotoLove~ said: The best part about this is that the Primes aren't even canon and Samus probably would cry if she saw a reaper because it would remind her of Ridley.
Imagine what fighting hundreds of reapers would do to her. Poor girl.
It's a livin'.
Unless they were dragon-shaped, named Ridley, had come back to life after she killed them once, and appeared in a moment of already existing emotional weakness, she'd be fine and massacre them with no problem. She's a bundle of neuroses, yes, but they don't make her break down except in very specific circumstances- and she was shown breaking down or at least freezing up when she saw Ridley revived the first time back in the opening of Metroid Prime, too.
Here's a point on how Samus has also blown up planets. She crashed B.S.L into SR388 and destroyed it. Shes been infected as Phazon and although its not cannon to the main games. Its cannon to the prime side story which the franchise is recognized as. Samus in main story has been told she is the key to either the galaxy's safety or the key to its ruin should she die. She has a very strong alliance with the Galactic Federation which is a fuck ton of more ships and probably could get access to more help if she needed it or if it was made her objective if you go by Prime and before fusion in main
She does have more assets then just her arm cannon and her ship. If you went by Prime series she has a lot of will power as well.
The only possible worry is that the Space Pirates got their dumb asses involved and got indoctrinated *Like they were corrupted by phazon* and you have new even more ridiculous varieties of prime style pirates
Here is a scarier scenario. Phazon corrupted Reapers and Reaper controlled Metroids.
Mincemaker said: Structural weaknesses? Clearly you haven't taken into account of the ridiculous strength of a Reaper's kinetic barrier. One Reaper has shields powerful enough to survive repeated barrage of entire fleets. Said fleets include Alliance dreadnoughts that fire NUKES as standard armament.
And then there's the problem of there being thousands of Reapers.
And no, don't bother attempting to destroy a Reaper from the inside; Samus's just going to end up being indoctrinated.
Maybe... there is also the fact that it is mentioned in Prime 3 Corruption, that the Chozo use both magic and science. Since the Power suit is Chozo in nature, it is likely also a combination of both elements, which could mean it does have the ability to block indoctrination.
NaotoLove~ said: The best part about this is that the Primes aren't even canon and Samus probably would cry if she saw a reaper because it would remind her of Ridley.
Imagine what fighting hundreds of reapers would do to her. Poor girl.
It's a livin'.
Can you back up your claim that Prime isn't canon? Because I'm pretty damn sure you're just trolling.
Can you back up your claim that Prime isn't canon? Because I'm pretty damn sure you're just trolling.
Actually, the exact quote was that what happened in Prime has no effect on the "real" plot of the series, which is the elimination of Metroids. Prime is canon, but it's a side story with minimal impact to the series.
HaroldRowsdower said:
Girl blows up planets. That isn't an exaggeration, just look at Phaaze.
Except she only managed to do so because Aurora Unit 313 had "become one" with the planet, so its destruction led to the planet's demise. People tend to act as if she can destroy planets by using her artillery on the planets themselves, which isn't the case. She only managed to destroy planets by setting off their self-destruction triggers.
