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  • Uploader: NWSiaCB »
  • Date: over 10 years ago
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post #3329979
ushio, agano, nenohi, and arare (kantai collection) drawn by saiguchi_otoufu

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  • 潮ダイアリー 12月7日( ́・◡・`)

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  • OMGkillitwithfire
    over 10 years ago
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    So that's how they learn to ski before they go surfing around the ocean huh.
    And also, ouch Nenohi.

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    OMGkillitwithfire said:

    So that's how they learn to ski before they go surfing around the ocean huh.
    And also, ouch Nenohi.

    So thats why her arms and legs are always bandaged.

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    NWSiaCB
    over 10 years ago
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    Funny how this diary keeps showing all sorts of "historic days", but leaves out this just slightly important one...

    It's Pearl Harbor Day. You know, the start of the (officially acknowledged) American involvement in the war?

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    Lunatic6
    over 10 years ago
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    NWSiaCB said:

    Funny how this diary keeps showing all sorts of "historic days", but leaves out this just slightly important one...

    It's Pearl Harbor Day. You know, the start of the (officially acknowledged) American involvement in the war?

    Actually it was on the 8th day of December in Japanese time.

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    NWSiaCB said:

    Funny how this diary keeps showing all sorts of "historic days", but leaves out this just slightly important one...

    It's Pearl Harbor Day. You know, the start of the (officially acknowledged) American involvement in the war?

    Aye, three years late just like the first time round too :p

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    NWSiaCB
    over 10 years ago
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    Lunatic6 said:

    Actually it was on the 8th day of December in Japanese time.

    It was the 7th on the actual battlefield, which is typically what matters.

    So what you're saying is that they've still never actually recognized the mistake they made in sending the declaration of war (the one they supposedly "forgot" to send to make it not an "undeclared act of war") on the 8th because they didn't stop to take account of the International Date Line?

    Updated by NWSiaCB over 10 years ago

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    NWSiaCB
    over 10 years ago
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    boxman said:

    Let me see if I understand you here - you're upset that a Japanese artist writing Japanese comics based on a Japanese series about Japanese ships primarily made for a Japanese audience doesn't follow your American calender?

    Alright then.

    When something happens across the International Date Line, we tend to respect what time it is in the time zone where that event occurred. If something happened in the morning, we don't say it happened at 11 PM the night before it actually happened.

    Funny how an observation of others being too focused upon their own nation can somehow be used as fodder for accusations of the same if that person was an American...

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    rom collector
    over 10 years ago
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    NWSiaCB said:

    It was the 7th on the actual battlefield, which is typically what matters.

    So what you're saying is that they've still never actually recognized the mistake they made in sending the declaration of war (the one they supposedly "forgot" to send to make it not an "undeclared act of war") on the 8th because they didn't stop to take account of the International Date Line?

    I think he's saying this is a Japanese comic, talking about Japanese historical dates and that America is not the center of the world and neither is obligatory to adapt to USA's rules. Difference between Japan and USA is around +14 hours time zone anyway.

    USA never recognized its mistake about dropping two bombs and killing thousands of civilians as they still do today. Neither about concentrating Japanese descendant American civilians in camps like criminals. You could say they're even.

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    NWSiaCB
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    rom_collector said:

    I think he's saying this is a Japanese comic, talking about Japanese historical dates and that America is not the center of the world and neither is obligatory to adapt to USA's rules. Difference between Japan and USA is around +14 hours time zone anyway.

    USA never recognized its mistake about dropping two bombs and killing thousands of civilians as they still do today. Neither about concentrating Japanese descendant American civilians in camps like criminals. You could say they're even.

    OK, there's a lot of ignorance, here...

    The mistake that was made was by the Japanese not recognizing the International Date Line.

    The Japanese sent a "strongly worded missive" to the American President, listing grievances, and then "accidentally forgot the last part", which happened to be the part where they actually declared war. This declaration of war part was supposed to be delivered to the Americans just an hour before the attack... but they forgot about the International Date Line.

    This is the mistake I'm talking about, here.

    The time that matters is the time at the place it happens. You screw yourselves over being so nationalistic.

    Beyond this, you're trying to go into some sort of attack on America by saying that we haven't acknowledged it was a mistake or apologized for the Japanese Internment Camps, which is a lie. Beyond that, if you think the nukes were the only attacks on civilians, and that those were the only "thousands" of civilians that died in World War 2, well, buddy, you have a lot to learn about Humanity's Darkest Hour. We killed more people in Tokyo with conventional incendiaries in a single night than with the nuke in Nagasaki. And it's hardly like the UK was playing perfectly by the rules, either; RAF commanders gleefully admitted to terror bombing. And the Soviets top them all, killing 20 million, most of which were ethnic minorities within their own lands (newly acquired or not).

    The only nations in the war that DIDN'T commit war crimes are the ones that got conquered too fast for them to try it. (And hence, became the victims of the war crimes.) Trying to play some dumbass "oh, America committed some war crimes" card doesn't cut it, and is a complete evasion of the simple facts.

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    rom collector
    over 10 years ago
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    You answered you own question, everyone committed war crimes and yet you worry about an insignificant switch date. I don't recall the author of this comic nor the japanese drawing such comics declaring war to U.S.A. and "forgetting the last part". I doubt they were even born.

    What's next? You want us to celebrate July 4th worldwide? Or maybe declare September 11th a mourning day for everyone? The day a nation who turns everyone else's countries into a war zone in exchange for resources tasted its own medicine. I'm not happy about war or the tragedies it brings by government decisions, but contrary to the United States, Japan learned from its mistakes and lives in peace. Complain when Japan sends an army to other countries searching for mass destruction weapons, kills civilians as possible terrorists and its own citizens consider them "heroes protecting the nation".

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    naoe takakage
    about 10 years ago
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    @NWSiaCB

    See post #1867134

    Pearl Harbor happened on the 8th day of December in Japanese time. Yes Japan didn't take into account international time. I didn't see why you should be that upset about it.

    Updated by naoe takakage about 10 years ago

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    Fubuma
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    NWSiaCB said:

    OK, there's a lot of ignorance, here...

    The mistake that was made was by the Japanese not recognizing the International Date Line.

    The Japanese sent a "strongly worded missive" to the American President, listing grievances, and then "accidentally forgot the last part", which happened to be the part where they actually declared war. This declaration of war part was supposed to be delivered to the Americans just an hour before the attack... but they forgot about the International Date Line.

    This is the mistake I'm talking about, here.

    The time that matters is the time at the place it happens. You screw yourselves over being so nationalistic.

    Beyond this, you're trying to go into some sort of attack on America by saying that we haven't acknowledged it was a mistake or apologized for the Japanese Internment Camps, which is a lie. Beyond that, if you think the nukes were the only attacks on civilians, and that those were the only "thousands" of civilians that died in World War 2, well, buddy, you have a lot to learn about Humanity's Darkest Hour. We killed more people in Tokyo with conventional incendiaries in a single night than with the nuke in Nagasaki. And it's hardly like the UK was playing perfectly by the rules, either; RAF commanders gleefully admitted to terror bombing. And the Soviets top them all, killing 20 million, most of which were ethnic minorities within their own lands (newly acquired or not).

    The only nations in the war that DIDN'T commit war crimes are the ones that got conquered too fast for them to try it. (And hence, became the victims of the war crimes.) Trying to play some dumbass "oh, America committed some war crimes" card doesn't cut it, and is a complete evasion of the simple facts.

    Well to pour oil on the flames, researches estimate the Japanese war crime kills to be anywhere between 7 to 14 million.

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    December 7th It is not the case that we can never have fun ice-skating. Have to assume a typo here - 氷骨 instead of 氷滑
    For instance, practicing correct navigation for being surrounded by pack ice.
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