Well.. I dunno if the 8.8cm L/71 could pack some serious damage to the Shinkaiseikans, especially the heavier ones.. It'd be sweet though if some ship could transport a tank to give extra damage when they fight installation type enemies..
When you really think about it, the only gun I can think of for WWII tanks that could match a shipborne artillery would be the 128mm KwK L/55... Then again, it's basically on par with the 12.7cm artillery on destroyers. I doubt it'd do any good against even I-class destroyers, much less a Wo-class.
Oh, and that 128mm KwK L/55 gun? That's mounted on the Maus. I doubt you can fit a heavier gun on land vehicles without it turning into something akin to Schwerer Gustav.
I think this is Tiger I that actually delivered to Japan. There was a story when japanese bought the tank, but germans didn't shipped it for whatever reason.
When you really think about it, the only gun I can think of for WWII tanks that could match a shipborne artillery would be the 128mm KwK L/55... Then again, it's basically on par with the 12.7cm artillery on destroyers. I doubt it'd do any good against even I-class destroyers, much less a Wo-class.
Oh, and that 128mm KwK L/55 gun? That's mounted on the Maus. I doubt you can fit a heavier gun on land vehicles without it turning into something akin to Schwerer Gustav.
The Sturmtiger wants to say hallo with its 38cm rocket launcher. Bonus points for actualy being a modified depth-charge launcher.
The Tiger is a piece of overrated shit anyway. Even the much better Panther is a costly over engineered piece of scrap that broke down on it own.
And the fact that they keep on using more resources into building them instead of making something cheaper and more efficient, or heck, just stick with the Panzer IV. Though by that point I doubt it will make much difference.
Just because it's built on a different design philosophy doesn't mean it's a piece of shit. Given a reliable engine (the fact that the one it was provided with managed to move it anywhere without all of its cylinders uniting with each other seems a miracle) the Tiger would be an almost perfect one-on-one vehicle with any of its warmates. Problem is, there wasn't an industry behind it to support it, and it turns out thousands upon thousands of inferior machines will eventually wear down even the best lone behemoth.
Nobody contests that the Tiger was the wrong tool for the job, unsustainable and unfeasible to properly produce given the available industry. However, the amount of time it spent in the field being nigh-invincible before the late-war heavy hitters started rolling in on its crippled supply lines is a testament to just how properly-rated it is.
Whoa, good catch. I totally forgot about the Sturmtiger. (lol)
And now that I think of it, the Karl-Gerät could probably knock any Shinkaiseikan out, altough actualy hitting anything would be the primary issue with it.
Just because it's built on a different design philosophy doesn't mean it's a piece of shit. Given a reliable engine (the fact that the one it was provided with managed to move it anywhere without all of its cylinders uniting with each other seems a miracle) the Tiger would be an almost perfect one-on-one vehicle with any of its warmates. Problem is, there wasn't an industry behind it to support it, and it turns out thousands upon thousands of inferior machines will eventually wear down even the best lone behemoth.
Nobody contests that the Tiger was the wrong tool for the job, unsustainable and unfeasible to properly produce given the available industry. However, the amount of time it spent in the field being nigh-invincible before the late-war heavy hitters started rolling in on its crippled supply lines is a testament to just how properly-rated it is.
Indeed. If it's given better specs (eg engines), then it will consider dangerous.
Besides, the Tiger is the symbol of Tank Goodness before other ones came along.
100 mm L/53.5, so, as compared to 128mm KwK L/55, smaller, but not much smaller.
100mm compared to 128mm is pretty big in weapons terms, not to mention the difference in lenght is even more in both calibre and absolute lenght. And if you use a Soviet gun at least use the 130mm S-70. Sure its only used in prototype weapons as far as I know but at least its actualy comparable in calibre and length.
The Tiger is a piece of overrated shit anyway. Even the much better Panther is a costly over engineered piece of scrap that broke down on it own.
"Overrated", yeah, because 3-1+ AVERAGE kill-ratio of Tiger I to Any other allied tank is "overrated".
Internally, the Tiger was SUPERB. Precise machining, exact tolerances between parts, the luxury tank of tanks, really. And THAT, was its main failing.
Comparing a Tiger I to a T35/76 or T-34/85, has the Tiger superior in almost ALL aspects. Better armour, bigger gun, longer range, more accurate, etc. The problem, comes in the engineering;
The Tiger I was hand-built to precision-guided (for the time) tolerances, and was over-engineered. It made it INCREDIBLY costly and slow to manufacture. It also meant that it was unfortunately, unreliable in the conditions it was thrown into. Sand, mud, etc, just grinds up the parts, and because the fits were so precise, that threw them out. At the same time, it was very heavy for the engine & transmission. Most of the breakdowns they suffered were actually due to the overloaded tank breaking the transmission.
The Panther, while easier to build, again, yes, over-engineered, but it performed STUNNINGLY WELL. A single Panther could easily hold the line against several Shermans or T34's from the front. High-velocity 75mm cannon was very accurate, and very powerful. T-34's and ESPECIALLY the under-gunned LV 75mm-armed Shermans had to get much closer to penetrate a Panther's front armour (and even THEN, the Shermans were very doubtable in chances).
FWP said: 100mm compared to 128mm is pretty big in weapons terms, not to mention the difference in lenght is even more in both calibre and absolute lenght. And if you use a Soviet gun at least use the 130mm S-70. Sure its only used in prototype weapons as far as I know but at least its actualy comparable in calibre and length.
Or 130 mm/50 B13. Also only used in a prototype SPG on land, but that prototype was used in combat.
So much tank tech talk, I just came here for happy adorable Rou-chan. I can take her off everyone's hands if she's in the way.
I'd rather have base Yuu-chan, but that said... **Yoinks Ro-chan away.** She's mine to huggle and luff and make happeh. And NOT in the "Need the MP's" way, either. The "Nice person taking care of a child" way.
I think this is Tiger I that actually delivered to Japan. There was a story when japanese bought the tank, but germans didn't shipped it for whatever reason.
Wasn't the ship carrying it sunk on the way?
FWP said:
The Sturmtiger wants to say hallo with its 38cm rocket launcher. Bonus points for actualy being a modified depth-charge launcher.
A canon and a rocket launcher are completely diffrent things. A canon must be much longer to improve accuracy because at that time bullets didn't have stabilizing wings like rockets have. Canons must also be built to absorb the recoil from the explosion that launches the projectile, because unlike rockets which maintains its own propulsion with fuel a bullet gets all of its momentum at the start of its flight.
If I'd remember stuff, I'd wrote right away. Edit1: Did li'l digging and found this (ru). See last 2 paragraphs.
Seems that boat (a submarine) didn't arrive, so germans gave that tank to own military. At source no word about boat's fate. There is still mystery: HOW are they supposed to pack and deliver it, considering weight (japanese ordered fully packed tank, even ammo for crew's SMGs) and fact that hull couldn't be disassembled.
Fun thing - payment arrived first, but no returned or otherwise compensated later.
A canon and a rocket launcher are completely diffrent things. A canon must be much longer to improve accuracy because at that time bullets didn't have stabilizing wings like rockets have. Canons must also be built to absorb the recoil from the explosion that launches the projectile, because unlike rockets which maintains its own propulsion with fuel a bullet gets all of its momentum at the start of its flight.
The Sturmtiger's gun had a conventional charge to launch the rocket, only after which the actual rocket fired. And still had severe issues with venting the gasses.
When you really think about it, the only gun I can think of for WWII tanks that could match a shipborne artillery would be the 128mm KwK L/55... Then again, it's basically on par with the 12.7cm artillery on destroyers. I doubt it'd do any good against even I-class destroyers, much less a Wo-class.
Oh, and that 128mm KwK L/55 gun? That's mounted on the Maus. I doubt you can fit a heavier gun on land vehicles without it turning into something akin to Schwerer Gustav.
You forgot about SU-152 and ISU-152 that were actively used in war.
