Not only that, I think it's weird that the IJN also had a ship named after the suicide attacks their newly recruited Zero pilots were instructed to do in World War II.
Not only that, I think it's weird that the IJN also had a ship named after the suicide attacks their newly recruited Zero pilots were instructed to do in World War II.
It's also what they call 2 typhoons that sunk both Mongol's invasions. Kami means god/divine,kaze means wind.Nothing weird about using them for many things relevant to wind/speed.
Not only that, I think it's weird that the IJN also had a ship named after the suicide attacks their newly recruited Zero pilots were instructed to do in World War II.
Kamikaze predates that, and was named after the lucky 'divine' (for Japan) typhoons which dispersed the Mongolian fleet when they were invading Japan.
'Kamikaze' was later used only informally to refer to the "special attack" (read: suicide crashing) units formed in desperation in the closing period of the Pacific War, despite it being the preferred term of Western media. "Kamikaze" was related back-imported back into Japan.
Well Kongou... to be fair you WERE a battlecruiser back then and if anything battlecruiser =/= battleship so technically... you weren't a "battleship" per se.
Well, to be fair her name does induce some confusion among any non-Asians. Even the Koreans call her "suicide-chan" while fully aware of the Mongolian invasion and Korean involvement in it.
Not only that, I think it's weird that the IJN also had a ship named after the suicide attacks their newly recruited Zero pilots were instructed to do in World War II.
Well, to be fair her name does induce some confusion among any non-Asians. Even the Koreans call her "suicide-chan" while fully aware of the Mongolian invasion and Korean involvement in it.
I don't think it's confusion so much as simply not caring, Kamikaze is now shorthand for 'suicide attack' and the history doesn't really matter at this point.
Also I feel like these "Kougou is and old lady" jokes/images are increasing in volume, seeing this historical fact acknowledged pleases me.
Well, to be fair her name does induce some confusion among any non-Asians. Even the Koreans call her "suicide-chan" while fully aware of the Mongolian invasion and Korean involvement in it.
I was also confused about that hours earlier but now I think know the differences between Kamikaze the ship and the "kamikaze" suicide attacks done by Zero pilots during World War II.
Also I couldn't reply earlier because I received some sort of 2 comments per hour "ban" as I'm not sure if that's a limitation or a temporary ban.
I was also confused about that hours earlier but now I think know the differences between Kamikaze the ship and the "kamikaze" suicide attacks done by Zero pilots during World War II.
Also I couldn't reply earlier because I received some sort of 2 comments per hour "ban" as I'm not sure if that's a limitation or a temporary ban.
I think if you check the "no bump" box beside the post button, the 2 comment limit won't apply.
I was also confused about that hours earlier but now I think know the differences between Kamikaze the ship and the "kamikaze" suicide attacks done by Zero pilots during World War II.
Also I couldn't reply earlier because I received some sort of 2 comments per hour "ban" as I'm not sure if that's a limitation or a temporary ban.
The term "kamikaze" is the name the Americans use to refer to the suicide attacks. In Japan they refer to them as "tokkoutai", who is an abbreviation of the term Special Attack Unit in japanese.
Just waiting for one ship, just one, that is older than Kongou, to show up.
Which would be the perfect excuse to introduce British ships. Kongou is actually very much one of the progenitors of the modern Battlecruiser/Fast Battleship concept. How fitting would it be for the one ship in the game older than her to be the progenitor of the modern Battleship in general?
I'm kinda hoping that Mikasa will be introduced eventually, but I doubt that'll happen - the game only has ships that at least took part in WW2, so far anyways.
Actually, there are a couple of exceptions - Miyuki sunk way before the Pacific War started, and Houshou only really helped with training pilots (as far as I know).
I'm kinda hoping that Mikasa will be introduced eventually, but I doubt that'll happen - the game only has ships that at least took part in WW2, so far anyways.
Actually, there are a couple of exceptions - Miyuki sunk way before the Pacific War started, and Houshou only really helped with training pilots (as far as I know).
well, Asashi could be introduced. Battleship that was a repair ship during WW2 and sunk. That was Mikasas predecessor though and is from 1900 xD
Just waiting for one ship, just one, that is older than Kongou, to show up.
The Legendary Mikasa and Aurora!!
WhiteCrow said:
Well, to be fair her name does induce some confusion among any non-Asians. Even the Koreans call her "suicide-chan" while fully aware of the Mongolian invasion and Korean involvement in it.
Despite every Asian know kamikaze storm that defeat Mongol Armada, but the kamikaze suicidal attack is more famous.
Well, to be fair her name does induce some confusion among any non-Asians. Even the Koreans call her "suicide-chan" while fully aware of the Mongolian invasion and Korean involvement in it.
That's not confusion, that's a deliberate nickname to make fun of her.
Which would be the perfect excuse to introduce British ships. Kongou is actually very much one of the progenitors of the modern Battlecruiser/Fast Battleship concept. How fitting would it be for the one ship in the game older than her to be the progenitor of the modern Battleship in general?
Just one problem... there isn't a Royal Navy combat vessel in operation in WWII older then Kongou. The Royal Navy had a much larger stock of war era ships to choose from when the treaty rolled around and it did not keep any vessels commissioned before 1914.
ithekro said:
Just waiting for one ship, just one, that is older than Kongou, to show up.
That's going to be difficult if you're talking something in active service. Kongou was one of the very first 'super dreadnuaught' type capital ships that moved to 14 inch or larger guns and by World War II basically all the older 12-13.5 inch ships had been disposed off due to the treaties and almost none of the smaller vessels of her era survived having become obsolete and, unlike with battleships, replacements being more readily allowed.
From what I can tell there are perhaps half a dozen ships total that were nominally active that were older then her: -The Three Deutschland class Pre-Dreadnoughts of Germany. -USS Arkansas was 11 months older -USS Wyoming, USS Utah, and USS Iron Duke were all slightly older, but had been rendered unfit for combat in accordance with treaties via removal of guns, belt and conning armor, and boilers (to reduce speed below 20 knots) and were used solely as training ships never seeing battle. (Aside from Utah who was attacked in port and sunk at Pearl Harbor)
I can't immediately find or recall any active combat vessels for the RN that were older, there are none of Italy or France either. Other then this there is nothing active that was older that I can immedatley recall as every cruiser older then her had be disposed of as had all DDs. Any CV is obviously younger.
Actually, there are a couple of exceptions - Miyuki sunk way before the Pacific War started, and Houshou only really helped with training pilots (as far as I know).
Houshou did sail with the fleet a handful of times early in the war, mostly to provide an expanded stock of scout planes and anti-submarine patrol. She was present with the surface fleet at Midway. Images of the wrecked and abandoned Hiryu were taken by her aircraft.
Miyuki is a more interesting example that opens up a whole can of worms if you start taking her inclusion to it's logical ends, she would appear to be imply that almost any ship from before the war is nominally possible regardless of it's lack of participation. Though from a prospective of inclusion in the game a possible addition should really hope to serve SOME gameplay purpose, much like in reality ultra cheap ass DDs have some utility as mules for menial jobs, but it's much harder to make that argument for something like a pre-dreadnaught which would really be only marginally cheaper to run then a newer capital ship while being phenomenally shitter then said vessels.
Just waiting for one ship, just one, that is older than Kongou, to show up.
Well, the Giulio Cesare-class of ships of the italian navy were launched in 1911 (the Kongou was launched on May 1912), but were completed in 1915 thanks to WWI.
Those 2 ships (there were 3, but L. da Vinci's magazines exploded in 1916) were reconstructed in the 30s, making them at least the equalls of the Dunkerque-class of the french navy.
Funnily enough, if you subtract all the years they've been... dead, Kamikaze is actually 1 year Tenryuu's senior. And Hibiki is the oldest Japanese member of the base with Kongou being second and Yukikaze third.
Just waiting for one ship, just one, that is older than Kongou, to show up.
After nearly a year, we now have a ship that is technically older than Kongou.
A Russian Dreadnaught, named Gangut. (She was launched before Hiei was even laid down, and Kongo was laid down about ten months before Gangut was launched). Gangut and her sisters wer commissioned between the commissioning of Hiei and Haruna/Kirishima, with Kongo having been in commission a whole year before Hiei.
But since they tend to use launch dates....Gangut is now the oldest ship in the game...the semi-loli Babushka.
After nearly a year, we now have a ship that is technically older than Kongou.
A Russian Dreadnaught, named Gangut. (She was launched before Hiei was even laid down, and Kongo was laid down about ten months before Gangut was launched). Gangut and her sisters wer commissioned between the commissioning of Hiei and Haruna/Kirishima, with Kongo having been in commission a whole year before Hiei.
But since they tend to use launch dates....Gangut is now the oldest ship in the game...the semi-loli Babushka.
After nearly a year, we now have a ship that is technically older than Kongou.
A Russian Dreadnaught, named Gangut. (She was launched before Hiei was even laid down, and Kongo was laid down about ten months before Gangut was launched). Gangut and her sisters wer commissioned between the commissioning of Hiei and Haruna/Kirishima, with Kongo having been in commission a whole year before Hiei.
But since they tend to use launch dates....Gangut is now the oldest ship in the game...the semi-loli Babushka.
Russia and Italy couldn't finish their ships before WWI began, that's the only reason Kongo was commisioned before (and the reason the japanese call them the Gangut-class, the russians call them the Sevastopol-class battleships because Sevastopol was the first laid down and comissioned).
Juste a question in KC which PLAYABLE ship is the oldest (launching year). On AL it's the pre-dreadnought Battleship Mikasa (comissioned in 1898 launched in 1900).
Juste a question in KC which PLAYABLE ship is the oldest (launching year). On AL it's the pre-dreadnought Battleship Mikasa (comissioned in 1898 launched in 1900).
Gangut (launched 1911, commissioned 1915) Followed by Kongo (launched 1912, commissioned 1913) and Hiei (launched 1912, commissioned 1914) Followed by Warspite (launched 1913, commissioned 1915) Followed very closely by Haruna and Kirishima (launched 1913, commissioned 1915) and Fuso (launched 1914, commissioned 1915)
Launched in 1918You yourself are already 104 years old!You're working pretty hard for an old granny from the Taishou era like you!Launched in 1912...'though really, Kamikaze, huh.Launched in 1919Launched in 1922Gr...Granny...!?Good work. I am the Fleet Commander, Nagato.I don't want to hear that from you.Destroyer Kamikaze, reporting for duty!atten-SHUN!On in years...Hahaha! True that! We're both getting on in years, huh?
