well tbf Cosmoem can float, so maybe it is releiving the weight from Lillie by floating while it is on the bag. As for Larvitar and Hippopotas... idk :P Ash works out what else can I say.
Iris should be in this too. She kept Larvitar in her hair for a third of a series. That much weight running around her head and she still could move as gracefully as anyone?
well tbf Cosmoem can float, so maybe it is releiving the weight from Lillie by floating while it is on the bag. As for Larvitar and Hippopotas... idk :P Ash works out what else can I say.
This still runs into the problems mentioned in a previous post, however: Just because it can float doesn't mean it's easy to move around.
Think about it this way: Most full-sized cars weigh somewhere in the ballpark of a ton (2000 lbs), and if you put a car in neutral, yeah, you can start pushing it up to walking speed without worrying about getting over initial inertial resistance, but that takes several seconds of build-up time, and once you get going it takes just as much force working in the opposite direction to slow down or turn. Try taking a nice, relaxing stroll through a forest, or navigating a house with an object that takes several seconds and several dozen feet of "brake" time to avoid plowing straight through trees or walls, dragging you with it.
Worse, floating doesn't mean floating a particular distance off the ground, so if you come to a slope, you better start pushing or pulling it up or down, or you'll be tied to an object that's about to take flight or burrow into the earth with you strapped to it.
To be able to make that seem natural, pushing tons of force around per second, those "children" would need enough horsepower to power a jet aircraft.
... That, or the Pokedex is a lying sack of shit, and those things actually weigh like 10 lbs, which is always my default answer to most of the gibberish physics in Pokemon.
Or the humans in Pokemon world are a lot more stronger than our world.
There's a limit to how far one can be "strong" without needing to either completely rewrite physics or have people with limbs thicker than an elephant. We're talking about needing two orders of magnitude greater strength, here. For that matter, it would also require every material in the world to be stronger than our world since they can support the forces these stronger humans exert without breaking... at which point, it would be easier, again, to just assume the units of measure are wrong.
There's a limit to how far one can be "strong" without needing to either completely rewrite physics or have people with limbs thicker than an elephant. We're talking about needing two orders of magnitude greater strength, here. For that matter, it would also require every material in the world to be stronger than our world since they can support the forces these stronger humans exert without breaking... at which point, it would be easier, again, to just assume the units of measure are wrong.
It's just more amusing to imagine that Ash misunderstood the concept of Gyms.
Eh, it makes sense in Cosmoem's case. It floats. It defies gravity. Weight is only relevant because of gravity. It's like those floating stones from ChargeStone Cave. It's really easy to move. Ash's case is still ridiculous though.
Eh, it makes sense in Cosmoem's case. It floats. It defies gravity. Weight is only relevant because of gravity. It's like those floating stones from ChargeStone Cave. It's really easy to move. Ash's case is still ridiculous though.
As pointed out repeatedly in the other post, weight isn't the same thing as mass, a distinction that seems lost on quite a lot of people.
Ships also float on water. Blimps float in air. Hovercraft 'float' on an air cushion. Maglev trains 'float' in a dynamic magnetic field (sometimes also further supported by an air cushion). Still takes some effort to move, stop, or turn them though, because of mass and Newton's Second Law.
Ships also float on water. Blimps float in air. Hovercraft 'float' on an air cushion. Maglev trains 'float' in a dynamic magnetic field.
All of those are still affected by gravity. They are being forced to stay afloat. Magnet trains are pushed to stay afloat. Blimps float with the pressure of the lifting gas inside them. As far as we know, Cosmoem doesn't give two shits about gravity. It shouldn't be possible, but it is. What you should be questioning here is how it manages to completely defy gravity, not how it appears weightless.
All of those are still affected by gravity. They are being forced to stay afloat. Magnet trains are pushed to stay afloat. Blimps float with the pressure of the lifting gas inside them. As far as we know, Cosmoem doesn't give two shits about gravity. It shouldn't be possible, but it is. What you should be questioning here is how it manages to completely defy gravity, not how it appears weightless.
What makes you think it isn't affected by gravity? If you are going to say "it floats", well, those things float too. From an external observer there's no difference, and Cosmoem might as well be generating thrust or some sort of upwards force (like a Maglev, perhaps) to counteract gravity instead.
And FYI blimps float because they displace an equal amount of weight in air. Nothing to do with pressure ('though it is necessary to maintain the shape).
Heck, even things without (rest) mass like photons (light) are also affected by gravity. Heck, even time itself is affected by gravity. Space too.
And hell, if Cosmoem is truly not affected by gravity, it would go off flying into space as the planet falls under him when the latter rotates and orbits.
And even then he'll still be as hard to push (accelerate) as a 999.9 kg object because Newton's 2nd Law and Conservation of Momentum still apply even if you magically wish gravity away.
What makes you think it isn't affected by gravity? If you are going to say "it floats", well, those things float too. From an external observer there's no difference, and Cosmoem might as well be generating thrust or some sort of upwards force to counteract gravity instead.
Because Lillie is able to pick it up without any problem?
NNescio said: And hell, if Cosmoem is truly not affected by gravity, it would go off flying into space as the planet falls under him when the latter rotates and orbits.
Fair point. Can't think of a counterargument for this part.
All of those are still affected by gravity. They are being forced to stay afloat. Magnet trains are pushed to stay afloat. Blimps float with the pressure of the lifting gas inside them. As far as we know, Cosmoem doesn't give two shits about gravity. It shouldn't be possible, but it is. What you should be questioning here is how it manages to completely defy gravity, not how it appears weightless.
If your idea of "affected by gravity" revolves around the idea that they behave as though they have little to no mass or density, then what you're talking about is that they have little to no mass or density. After all, if Lillie can lift it up like it only has a pound or two of mass, then doesn't that imply it has only a pound or two of mass? If no means of measuring weight or mass are relevant to it, where is that over-a-ton weight coming from in the first place?
If you just carry the logic you're applying to it's conclusion, you're basically agreeing that they don't have a mass of over a ton, and the Pokedex is full of shit, as I was saying.
If your idea of "affected by gravity" revolves around the idea that they behave as though they have little to no mass or density, then what you're talking about is that they have little to no mass or density. After all, if Lillie can lift it up like it only has a pound or two of mass, then doesn't that imply it has only a pound or two of mass? If no means of measuring weight or mass are relevant to it, where is that over-a-ton weight coming from in the first place?
If you just carry the logic you're applying to it's conclusion, you're basically agreeing that they don't have a mass of over a ton, and the Pokedex is full of shit, as I was saying.
Really, the 'dex always has been full of crap, really. I don't really think it's supposed to be meant to be taken super seriously, just fun flavor stuff.
Though it really makes me wonder if whoever wrote the dex entries at GameFreak really didn't think the fans would call bullshit on Cosmoem's weight. I mean, sure, it could weigh that much, but it's kinda hard to believe when an important story character is shown carrying the thing around like it's nothing.
Pokemon world physics is different from our human world physics.
Don't forget that they have magic, psychic and power of friendship in their world as well which, in real life, is just downright ridiculous. You think being able to carry around a mini nebula make no sense? How about how do your character carry over hundreds of pounds of items and equipments in their dinky little bags? All those weights and iron balls which can knock down strong flying pokemons from the skies, the hundreds of pokeballs, tons of rocks and all those berries, machines and even a god damn bicycle. In the anime it still make more sense than whats in the game.
It seems to me Satoshi/Ash is extremely fit for a 10 year old boy. He's ran great distances without having to catch his breath, nimbly climb tall trees like a spider monkey with no problem, taken tons of punishment from all kinds of pokemon and most of all failed in more ways than one could imagine in everything possible yet is still standing tall. Hell, getting fired into space without a suit would probably just be a minor inconvince to him, assuming the power ranger physics also exist that you can breath in space and the moon.
Also, the pokedex is a liar most of the time. It's what you should expect when most of the data is written and recorded by either kids or senile old grandpas who can't even remember their grandson's name. They even had a episode in the anime where they visit a professor who program and input the data into the dex and he straight up admitted that most of what he put in was all either exaggerations or downright false.
Really, the 'dex always has been full of crap, really. I don't really think it's supposed to be meant to be taken super seriously, just fun flavor stuff.
Though it really makes me wonder if whoever wrote the dex entries at GameFreak really didn't think the fans would call bullshit on Cosmoem's weight. I mean, sure, it could weigh that much, but it's kinda hard to believe when an important story character is shown carrying the thing around like it's nothing.
Like lighter-than-air/lighter-than-hydrogen (depending on whether you take its height value as head-to-tail or belly-to-back length) Wailord, too. And Wailord doesn't have "magic" or "weird cosmological effects" as an excuse, unlike Cosmoem.
What makes you think it isn't affected by gravity? If you are going to say "it floats", well, those things float too. From an external observer there's no difference, and Cosmoem might as well be generating thrust or some sort of upwards force to counteract gravity instead.
CharLight said:
Because Lillie is able to pick it up without any problem?
NNescio said:
And hell, if Cosmoem is truly not affected by gravity, it would go off flying into space as the planet falls under him when the latter rotates and orbits.
Charlight said:
Fair point. Can't think of a counterargument for this part.
Ash literally died a few times though? I'd say "literally coming back from the dead" is an experience.
so did red, green, blue, yellow, and silver except then it wasn't a joke. it took several months and the power of a wish granting cosmic pokemon to cure then from their petrification.
Iris should be in this too. She kept Larvitar in her hair for a third of a series. That much weight running around her head and she still could move as gracefully as anyone?
Like lighter-than-air/lighter-than-hydrogen (depending on whether you take its height value as head-to-tail or belly-to-back length) Wailord, too. And Wailord doesn't have "magic" or "weird cosmological effects" as an excuse, unlike Cosmoem.
It really depends on whether the kid who weighed that did it in air or water. He certainly didn't weigh his Wailord in vacuum. Also on whether he managed to get the entire mon on the scale.
Its kinda funny that some of you are bring logic, physics, and common sense knowing that it does not always apply to anime, cartoons, and games these days lol
At this point I doubt Ash is even human at all, with his super strength and eternal youth.
Of course not. Ash is actually the dormant form of The Destroyer. When he becomes a Pokemon Champion, he will sing the song that heralds the End of All Things, and thus begin the unholy machinations that will undo the works of Man and Mon.
Or at least, he might as well be, considering that the anime writers apparently think they have to end the series if they let Ash win the goddamn Pokemon League.
Also, the pokedex is a liar most of the time. It's what you should expect when most of the data is written and recorded by either kids or senile old grandpas who can't even remember their grandson's name. They even had a episode in the anime where they visit a professor who program and input the data into the dex and he straight up admitted that most of what he put in was all either exaggerations or downright false.
I wish I had found this post eight years ago so I could ask which episode this was. Alas!
