Don't worry Akagi, Big E is not here... Yet.

bombermania said:

Don't worry Akagi, Big E is not here... Yet.

Massive fleet wide trauma will wait...for now.

Does anyone have a list of the ships sunk by USS Enterprise's air groups?

ithekro said:

Massive fleet wide trauma will wait...for now.

Does anyone have a list of the ships sunk by USS Enterprise's air groups?

From the Wikipedia page.
I-70
Kaga
Akagi
Hiryu
Hiei
Hiyo
Shokaku
Taiho
So 1 sub, 1 BB, and 6 Carriers
Fear her Carriers, fear her.
(Note I also listed ships she crippled.)

Reisentanith said:

From the Wikipedia page.
I-70
Kaga
Akagi
Hiryu
Hiei
Hiyo
Shokaku
Taiho
So 1 sub, 1 BB, and 6 Carriers
Fear her Carriers, fear her.

God, if she was implemented you could imagine her introducing herself and walking into the carrier dorms.

The chaos that would ensue.

Enterprise also got involved sinking Musashi and a few DDs at the Bay. She also took out Shiranui personally and probably yandare for Zuikaku. But the Blue Ghost is probably being the far worse, she was the flagship of the carrier task force that sunk almost half of the Japanese Fleet which is the Grey Ghost is also in it.

Reisentanith said:

From the Wikipedia page.
I-70
Kaga
Akagi
Hiryu
Hiei
Hiyo
Shokaku
Taiho
So 1 sub, 1 BB, and 6 Carriers
Fear her Carriers, fear her.
(Note I also listed ships she crippled.)

Partially true, Enterprise didn't do anything to Shokaku or Taihou other than possibly severely deplete their airgroups and that didn't really make things any easier for Cavalla and Albacore, being submarines and all. Hiyou, on the other, took a grazing hit to the bridge and another hit to the flight deck from dive bombers launched from both Enterprise and Lexington CV-16. However, it was Belleau Wood that scored the critical hit with a torpedo and thus, I tend to credit her with sinking Hiyou. That list also ignores the fact that Enterprise finished off the Mikuma at the Battle of Midway and took out Kinugasa in the morning after the First Battle of Guadalcanal as well.

Also during her service in TF 58/38, she potentially took part in sinking (potentially because it's impossible to confirm who hit what without a time machine) Fumizuki, Satsuki, Kiso, Zuihou, Akizuki, Hayashimo, Shimakaze, Naganami, Hamanami, Wakatsuki, Yamato, Yahagi, Hamakaze, Kasumi, and Isokaze

Lunatic6 said:

She also took out Shiranui personally and probably yandare for Zuikaku.

If anything, Enterprise would brofist with Zuikaku. Now if any US Carrier would bully the crane, it would be Lexington CV-16 because:

A) During the Battle of the Philippine Sea, It was one of her pilots that called it a "turkey shoot"

B) She sunk Zuikaku, no doubt about that.

Reisentanith said:

Hiei
(Note I also listed ships she crippled.)

I don't think being scuttled after being pounded to near-death by suicidal Destroyers counts as anything in favor of the Enterprise, especially when Big-E's airgroups reported being called off of sinking Hiei (waste of time/munitions).

Eboreg said:

However, it was Belleau Wood that scored the critical hit with a torpedo and thus, I tend to credit her with sinking Hiyou.

The USS Hornet (CV-12) and her Bomber Wings which put over 30 bombs into Hiyou's hull (leaving Hornet as being awarded Hiyou's kill mark) would like a word with you.

kibehisa said:

I don't think being scuttled after being pounded to near-death by suicidal Destroyers counts as anything in favor of the Enterprise, especially when Big-E's airgroups reported being called off of sinking Hiei (waste of time/munitions).

The USS Hornet (CV-12) and her Bomber Wings which put over 30 bombs into Hiyou's hull (leaving Hornet as being awarded Hiyou's kill mark) would like a word with you.

[CITATION NEEDED]

First off, when were Enterprise's air groups called off of Hiei. Secondly, Hiei would have gotten back to port if it weren't for Enterprise and, in fact, many hard-line Battleship admirals changed their minds after seeing that result. Thirdly, Hornet pilots may have claimed 30 hits but I don't think any warship ever has received that many bomb hits from air attack.

Eboreg said:

[CITATION NEEDED]

First off, when were Enterprise's air groups called off of Hiei.

The 2nd Air Wave from Enterprise was called off after Aircraft from Henderson Field confirmed Hiei was scuttled.

Eboreg said:

Secondly, Hiei would have gotten back to port if it weren't for Enterprise

On the contrary, if it wasn't for Saratoga (which actually crippled Hiei and made Enterprise hitting her even possible) and Henderson Field (both of which were much closer to the battle and had much better turn around times - and both of which actually caused more damage to Hiei) Hiei would have gotten back to port.

Simple fact is, Enterprise's air group were trying to fight close to the edge of their combat range (she was just getting into the region to begin with!) and took far too long to get into and out of location.
Henderson or Saratoga (probably Henderson) would have finished Hiei off by the time Enterprise's aircraft returned to the battle!
THIS (not Enterprise) is why she was scuttled.

The suicidal destroyers is simply more noble/iconic way to go out, so I brought that up instead as humor.

Eboreg said:

many hard-line Battleship admirals changed their minds after seeing that result.

[CITATION NEEDED]

REALITY: The Battle of Guadalcanal saw Kirishima completely destroyed by USS Washington, Battleship Purists were actually momentarily vindicated in the eyes of the major Navies of the region!
The USA changed their minds on canceling the last two Iowas, for instance (not that it made a difference, as those two were never completed anyway)!

Eboreg said:

Thirdly, Hornet pilots may have claimed 30 hits but I don't think any warship ever has received that many bomb hits from air attack.

They actually claimed well over 40 hits, but I grant you it is unlikely they actually hit 30 times.
You seem to forget that SBC2 Helldivers carried as many as six 500lb bombs, so each aircraft could hit as many as six times in a single pass - and, yes, they dropped all bombs in a single pass if they were sure they were going to hit.
Of course, reality is simple, the bombs don't all make contact - but the Pilot cannot tell this, and records all 6 as hitting if there is obvious damage.

Regardless, officially Hornet got the Kill, Belleau Wood got the Assist.

kibehisa said:

On the contrary, if it wasn't for Saratoga (which actually crippled Hiei and made Enterprise hitting her even possible) and Henderson Field (both of which were much closer to the battle and had much better turn around times - and both of which actually caused more damage to Hiei) Hiei would have gotten back to port.

Wha... What? Enterprise was flying the banner "Enterprise vs. Japan" at the time! In fact, Saratoga was in port at the time because of a nasty hit from Nimu! There is no way she could have bombed Hiei.

[CITATION NEEDED]

REALITY: The Battle of Guadalcanal saw Kirishima completely destroyed by USS Washington, Battleship Purists were actually momentarily vindicated in the eyes of the major Navies of the region!
The USA changed their minds on canceling the last two Iowas, for instance (not that it made a difference, as those two were never completed anyway)!

I'm going to need to cross-check that author later

They actually claimed well over 40 hits, but I grant you it is unlikely they actually hit 30 times.
You seem to forget that SBC2 Helldivers carried as many as six 500lb bombs, so each aircraft could hit as many as six times in a single pass - and, yes, they dropped all bombs in a single pass if they were sure they were going to hit.
Of course, reality is simple, the bombs don't all make contact - but the Pilot cannot tell this, and records all 6 as hitting if there is obvious damage.

Regardless, officially Hornet got the Kill, Belleau Wood got the Assist.

I was working off of after-action reports from the crew of the Hiyou. If anyone knows how many bombs hit, they do.

ithekro said:

Massive fleet wide trauma will wait...for now.

Does anyone have a list of the ships sunk by USS Enterprise's air groups?

Think about it like this, even not taking into account the ships she sunk, her story alone is certified badass in the mind of an anime fan. Enterprise was there from the very beginning, and witnessed the end of peacetime with the destruction of Pearl Harbor. She distinguished herself as the Hero of Midway, and near-singlehandedly changed the course of the entire war. One by one her sisters died until she was the sole survivor of the class, and at one point was the only operational carrier in the entire pacific ocean still fighting the Japanese (Enterprise v. Japan). She participated in almost every major naval engagement of the Pacific Campaign, cheating death and earning the nickname the Grey Ghost. After claiming so many firsts, it was only natural that Enterprise would rise above all others to become the most decorated U.S. ship in naval history. Her last mission would be helping to ferry her fellow soldiers and sailors back home to enjoy peacetime once again.

Enterprise's story is MADE for anime. If they gimp her in the game for petty balance reasons, I'm gonna kill Tanaka.

Eboreg said:

Wha... What? Enterprise was flying the banner "Enterprise vs. Japan" at the time! In fact, Saratoga was in port at the time because of a nasty hit from Nimu! There is no way she could have bombed Hiei.

I was going off of Combined Fleet's TROM for the Hiei.
Combined Fleet is the definitive English Language source for nearly everything IJN of WW2; and the TROMs they host are meticulously checked against the official records.

Combined Fleet TROM for IJN Hiei states:

1130: HIEI is attacked by four TBF torpedo planes from SARATOGA's (CV-3) Torpedo Squadron 8 and two Marine TBFs from VMSB-131 at Henderson Field. Two torpedoes hit HIEI - one amidships and one on the port bow.

That bow hit basically crippled Hiei's speed.

Checking DANFS, Saratoga actually was in the region (barely), so I will grant you it appears that Enterprise was closer than Saratoga - that does NOT even contest Henderson Field's part of this.

Eboreg said:

I was working off of after-action reports from the crew of the Hiyou. If anyone knows how many bombs hit, they do.

No, they wouldn't.
Not hardly.

Let's look at another incident.
The USS South Dakota took about 18 hits in her stand against Kirishima and two Atagos.
It took 6 days for them to figure this out - immediately post battle, they only thought they were hit somewhere around 4 times.

In the chaos of battle, you are too shook up and hopped up on Adrenalin to be able to tell this type of thing.

Luigi-dude10 said:

Enterprise would rise above all others to become the most decorated U.S. ship in naval history.

In the words of NWSiaCB:

The SSN-683 Parche says hi.

kibehisa said:

In the words of NWSiaCB:

The SSN-683 Parche says hi.

The greatest ship of all time... that no one will ever know why.

In terms of service stars, DD-449 USS Nicholas (16 WWII, 5 Korea, 9 Vietnam)
and AO-32 USS Guadalupe (14 WWII, 6 Korea, 10 Vietnam) are tied with 30 stars each. Actually, the Cimarron-class fleet oilers have huge medal counts as a whole thanks to being completely indispensable to the fleet.

In the words of NWSiaCB:

The SSN-683 Parche says hi.
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How about in an actual war numb-nuts, stop being an argumentative cunt like your above comments.

bombermania said:

Don't worry Akagi, Big E is not here... Yet.

Next time, ask for the code number damn it!!!

Eboreg said:

If anything, Enterprise would brofist with Zuikaku. Now if any US Carrier would bully the crane, it would be Lexington CV-16 because:

A) During the Battle of the Philippine Sea, It was one of her pilots that called it a "turkey shoot"

B) She sunk Zuikaku, no doubt about that.

As being combat veterans, I would assume?

Up until Leyte Gulf, Enterprise and Zuikaku saw more action than any carrier in their respective fleets.

Brian2170 said:

As being combat veterans, I would assume?

Up until Leyte Gulf, Enterprise and Zuikaku saw more action than any carrier in their respective fleets.

Enterprise: "If it isn't Zuikaku!"

Zuikaku: "Fancy meeting YOU E!"

Enterprise: "I always wanted to see the greatest carrier of the entire IJN for myself."

Kaga: t(ಠ益ಠt)