Getting bombed by a country less than 1,000km away while still retaining operational navy and air force isn't exactly the same as getting bombed by enemies from 10,000km away while having no means to do anything about that.
... What is this bombing Warspite is talking about?
WhiteCrow said:
Getting bombed by a country less than 1,000km away while still retaining operational navy and air force isn't exactly the same as getting bombed by enemies from 10,000km away while having no means to do anything about that.
The Marianas secured in the Summer were actually the critical base that put bombers within range and would remain the primary base for the rest of the war since B-29 could reach essentially all targets of interest in the home islands and return without refueling from their, once the infrastructure to support them was in place (hardly a trivial task) it made little sense to move them again.
WhiteCrow said:
Getting bombed by a country less than 1,000km away while still retaining operational navy and air force isn't exactly the same as getting bombed by enemies from 10,000km away while having no means to do anything about that.
They were being bombed from about 2,300km away actually and the fact they never developed even a vaguely effective integrated air defense system was pretty much their own damn fault. They did basically nothing of note for years to prepare and then when the bombers were finally upon them they were fucked. The B-29 force operating against them was never of the scale of the force deployed against Germany or even Britain earlier on in numbers and for quite a while it lacked escort fighters, yet they still failed to even seriously impede it's operations.
The Marianas secured in the Summer were actually the critical base that put bombers within range and would remain the primary base for the rest of the war since B-29 could reach essentially all targets of interest in the home islands and return without refueling from their, once the infrastructure to support them was in place (hardly a trivial task) it made little sense to move them again.
They were being bombed from about 2,300km away actually and the fact they never developed even a vaguely effective integrated air defense system was pretty much their own damn fault. They did basically nothing of note for years to prepare and then when the bombers were finally upon them they were fucked. The B-29 force operating against them was never of the scale of the force deployed against Germany or even Britain earlier on in numbers and for quite a while it lacked escort fighters, yet they still failed to even seriously impede it's operations.
Of course when I said 10,000km I didn't mean B-2s or ICBMs. I meant "enemies from the other side of the planet sitting in your front yard, burning the **** out of your house" but looks like the message was rather unclear.
AFAIK, the only serious anti-air capabilities the Japanese could rely on late in the war were damaged naval vessels stuck in ports for a lack of resources to repair. (That's what Myouko and Takao were doing in Singapore when the war ended.) Of course, if that mattered even remotely American bombers couldn't have been dropping napalms all over Tokyo in broad daylight.
Of course when I said 10,000km I didn't mean B-2s or ICBMs. I meant "enemies from the other side of the planet sitting in your front yard, burning the **** out of your house" but looks like the message was rather unclear.
AFAIK, the only serious anti-air capabilities the Japanese could rely on late in the war were damaged naval vessels stuck in ports for a lack of resources to repair. (That's what Myouko and Takao were doing in Singapore when the war ended.) Of course, if that mattered even remotely American bombers couldn't have been dropping napalms all over Tokyo in broad daylight.
The enemy being 10,000km works both ways. Sure Britain being close to Germany made it easier to bomb them back... it was also what enabled the comparatively short range bombers of Germany to bomb Britain at all in the first place. Trust me, Japan was veeeeery happy the US was 10,000km away instead of 1,000. Because if it wasn't those cites would have been burning in early 1943 instead of 1945 and they'd have been just as helpless. It was only the distances involved and the need for the US to take bases that delayed them bringing their utterly overpowering industrial advantage to bear for as long as it did.
Regardless the British efforts in retaliation during the actual blitz were spotty and amounted to little, certainly they had almost no effect with regard to say destroying aircraft production or seriously disrupting the Luftwaffe's forward bases. It was the air defense network they'd built up that was key. The system they had in 1940 was superior to what Japan had on the last day of the war 5 years later even though they had ample warning, time to prepare, and some idea of the probable tactics the enemy would employ (high altitude bombing). They did almost nothing their was no early warning radar network worth the name, no centralized plotting and fighter direction centers, no capability for ground controlled interception, almost no capability for night anti-aircraft action with either fighters or guns, AA gun production hadn't been prioritized with the result that many of the guns on hand couldn't even physically reach the altitude of a B-29, there had been little work down preemptively with regards to fighters for high altitude work either, and of course they kept wasting pilots on futile offensive operations, etc.
It's really more like you see the guys with torches slowly marching up the street toward your house, and instead of barricading the place and hurriedly collecting up anything you could use as a weapon. You decide to just lock the front door and then kick back to watch some TV until they actually set your house on fire at which point only then do you decide that maybe you should focus on this issue.
Because if it wasn't those cites would have been burning in early 1943 instead of 1945 and they'd have been just as helpless. It was only the distances involved and the need for the US to take bases that delayed them bringing their utterly overpowering industrial advantage to bear for as long as it did.
1943? Try Early 1942. Japan never would have been capable of taking on the US Army Air Corps if its full might could have been brought to bear, even using the already-obsolete aircraft from the start of the war with no extra build-up. The Pacific War would basically never have happened, since no navy could stand up inside of the airspace of a whole air force with total aerial supremacy, and it would have gone straight into the firebombing civilians and preparing for the invasion phase.
I don't think political figure count as shipgirl fathers unless they're also the founder of the navy that birthed her
But there's a very good reason for Goya to see another person speaking those words...
This is the first time I've seen an anime styled Winston that kept him recognizable though (not turning him into a girl or little boy).
trees said:
He's certainly not the founder of the Royal Navy, but he *was* First Lord of the Admiralty when Warspite was constructed. I think that counts.
when Winston Churchill was first lord of the admiralty he was the one who pushed and convinced Parliament for the Queen Elizabeth class, he didn't want the royal navy to keep just one step ahead of other navies, so he pushed for the building of 15inch breech loading cannons and the use of oil fired boilers. for all intents and purposes, he (and Admiral Fisher) is the father(s) of the Queen Elizabeth class
How could you be afraid just because they're bombing your homeland!?We've still got plenty of time to turn things around!
It's only just begun!Boyyy~History sure has a persuasive power to it...I can kinda see a baldy stand there, dechi.
