(Based on my little understanding about Naval ships/Yamato-class & my Japanese reading) Why Sakazaki Freddy(& some of its commenters) keeps thinking this event showed how the Yamato-class's armor capability was so...amazing and better? [Even some claimed that the Yamato-class's underwater defense was better than the Iowa-class's]
...Despite of how this particular event showed that a single torpedo had defeated her underwater defenses & led further reducing her roles on the frontlines; revealing one of her...faulty designs[just like what happened with Shinano].
*Normally, the torpedo should only managed to damage her anti-torpedo bulge; not damaging her actual hull & causing her taking 3,000 tons of water.*
*Managing to return to Kure despite of such damage...well, if my memory is correct, I think I know there were other ships also managed to keep sailing under same or worse condition.*
(Based on my little understanding about Naval ships/Yamato-class & my Japanese reading) Why Sakazaki Freddy(& some of its commenters) keeps thinking this event showed how the Yamato-class's armor capability was so...amazing and better? [Even some claimed that the Yamato-class's underwater defense was better than the Iowa-class's]
...Despite of how this particular event showed that a single torpedo had defeated her underwater defenses & led further reducing her roles on the frontlines; revealing one of her...faulty designs[just like what happened with Shinano].
*Normally, the torpedo should only managed to damage her anti-torpedo bulge; not damaging her actual hull & causing her taking 3,000 tons of water.*
*Managing to return to Kure despite of such damage...well, if my memory is correct, I think I know there were other ships also managed to keep sailing under same or worse condition.*
A good comparison is North Carolina she took a submarine torpedo of similar yield in a worse location (abreast turret one where the hull has to thin forward so the TDS was shallower) she had less flooding and unlike Yamato the magazine of the gun in way of the hit was not flooded and remained operable, speed was actually increased immedatley after the attack. Yamato was hit at about her aft turret, the hull their is obviously wider and yet the magazine for that turret flooded putting it out of action.
Yamato's underwater defense was better then Iowa, but only by virtue of sheer size not better design, they in fact shared the same flaw which was that they had tapering lower belts running through the TDS to stop diving shells, but this introduced counterproductive stiffness into a system that relied mainly on elastic deformation to absorb shock, the lower belt tended to shear at the connecting point with the upper under impacts tearing up the system in the process. The effect was basically an unexpected reduction in the magnitude of charge the system could defeat.
The last two Iowa were to be completed with somewhat modified TDS designs, IIRC mostly greatly beefed up connections between the belt sections. The Montana if built would have had a much better solution namely it would have had a second entirely separate internal lower belt positioned behind rather then within the TDS, with the system itself basically duplicating the proven one on North Carolina but deeper owning to increase beam. Had she been built this would have probably been the best comprehensive underwater protection of any battleship.
In practice Yamato's torpedo defense was probably barely if at all better then North Carolina, KGV, or Bismarck (Littorio was flawed in different ways and probably a bit worse) frankly it might not have even been much better then the modernized US standards. That said by later in the war TDS in general was increasingly suspect the US air dropped torpedoes that sank the Yamatos had warheads equivalent to roughly 900 pounds of TNT while submarine and surface torpedoes were a bit over a thousand. This was too much for any system on a reasonably sized hull to fully resist you would have needed something with beam like a super tanker.
This showed, basically every air dropped torpedo that hit the Yamato defeated the TDS and cause flooding of the "engine/boiler room fills with water so quickly most of the men in it drown" variety. At that point the only thing the TDS was really doing was limiting the spread of the damage, but by and large compartmentalization and the ships reserve buoyancy was what mattered in how many hits it could take. (The Japanese obsession with counter flooding was highly counter productive here) The Yamato was a big girl obviously so she soaked hits pretty well, but in the end about a dozen hits was sufficient to sink both and probably about half that would suffice if applied only to one side.
The thing was no other modern battleship was ever unfortunate enough to be subjected to the rain of torpedoes the Yamato sister were, so it can't be said definitively how they'd have performed by comparison.
I don't see how this comic is a comment on the Yamato's armor.
It seems to me this is a continuation of post #1724047, which in itself seems to be an amusing anecdote wrt the crew, rather than anything about the ship itself.
The Yamato was a big girl obviously so she soaked hits pretty well, but in the end about a dozen hits was sufficient to sink both and probably about half that would suffice if applied only to one side.
I don't see how this comic is a comment on the Yamato's armor.
It seems to me this is a continuation of post #1724047, which in itself seems to be an amusing anecdote wrt the crew, rather than anything about the ship itself.
Well, I wanted trying to describe the armor as 'how well protected' or sort.
While it's true that the picture indeed described one of amusing anecdotes...due to some of this picture's explanations & comments from the Source[seiga], they made me to think that they're still beautifying about this battleship[including like how USA planned to build Montana-class battleship to counter 'powerful' Yamato-class; which is not true] too...indiscriminately; just like the Zero.
My apologies if I just started unnecessary topic...
I meant the commentaries from (seiga.nicovideo.jp) that written by Japanese commenters on 'コメント'. Sorry to make you confusing.
The Japanese commenters do in fact discuss Yamato's defect which was exposed by this episode, search for 欠陥 (defect) in the comments.
I would go as far as to say you shouldn't cherrypick their comments, giving us English-speakers a wrong impression of the Japanese. I don't see them idolizing Yamato or crapping on the USA indisciminately. For example, someone was talking about how a Liberty ship sank in port, proving that American welding was also poor, but another pointed out that 1-2 Liberty ships were constructed each day, so some mishaps were bound to happen.
Yeah... I should realize how I could give them wrong impression about Japanese people; because of my hasty commenting, cherrypicking, & still being trapped in my 'past' experience with those Yamato(ship) cultists. I made foolish one... Thank you for your warning. I will comment responsibly next time.
i also read another article about atago and takao in a big fleet sortie, they actually notice subs tailing them but the information failed to be reported properly.
i think its not about Yamato's strong armor, rather about how bad the information relay in certain ships
How did you not notice?Right on it!Hey...Eh? That was the reason?They made it back to Kure without incident.※By the way, the submarine which hit Yamato with a torpedo and the sub that later sunk Agano were one and the same.
USS SkateW-we'll be leaving now, but...Jeez. you look perfectly fine to me, so just head back to the mainland like that for now.
Akashi actually performed temporary repairs before sending Yamato off for Kure.You ate some serious torpedo damage...Ehhh!?During Agano's Repairs
December 25, 1943. Agano was still in Truk Anchorage for repairs after taking two torpedo hits in November.Akashi-san, I've got some pretty bad flooding, but I can't find the leak. Could you take a look?※Sources disagree on just how much the crew of the Yamato took note of the damage. It seems they were aware of the submarine attack, but the flooding was so severe they didn't make the connection, maybe?Eh, why did Agano get different treatment!?
