Meanwhile, it was just another usual day over here on the southern part of the Peninsula.
I mean yeah, they were pissed about that UFG exercise (and China and Russia too), but why scare the sh*t out of Japan for that? (But to be fair, maybe they had no other options. East is the optimal direction to shoot a missile and get away without provoking war or getting ass-kicked, and Japan happened to be in the way. Or maybe threatening Japan was one of their motives to begin with.)
Meanwhile, it was just another usual day over here on the southern part of the Peninsula.
I mean yeah, they were pissed about that UFG exercise (and China and Russia too), but why scare the sh*t out of Japan for that? (But to be fair, maybe they had no other options. East is the optimal direction to shoot a missile and get away without provoking war or getting ass-kicked, and Japan happened to be in the way. Or maybe threatening Japan was one of their motives to begin with.)
It probably was. If they threaten Japan and the US does nothing then we look weak. We need to hurry up and decimate North Korea. Step 1: Evacuate Seoul Step 2: Glass the north side of the DMZ, at least 10 miles north Step 3: Have Korean troops move in while the US provides air support
As a side note, it's kind of strange to see even Italy (Littorio) afraid for some reason...
Tyrswed said:
It probably was. If they threaten Japan and the US does nothing then we look weak. We need to hurry up and decimate North Korea. Step 1: Evacuate Seoul Step 2: Glass the north side of the DMZ, at least 10 miles north Step 3: Have Korean troops move in while the US provides air support
Yeah, nobody's going to think something's up when ten million people are forced out of one of the most densely populated areas of the world, and it'll take just a few hours, tops, to pull that off. And when that is noticed, there's no way that North Korea's army, which is set to a paranoid hair-trigger alert that exactly this thing is going to happen at any moment won't take that as a cue to launch everything they have immediately.
Also, good luck ordering someone else's army to move on your orders. South Korea is more interested in cross-border work programs than war.
It probably was. If they threaten Japan and the US does nothing then we look weak. We need to hurry up and decimate North Korea. Step 1: Evacuate Seoul Step 2: Glass the north side of the DMZ, at least 10 miles north Step 3: Have Korean troops move in while the US provides air support
I'm really only okay with Step 2 except it's not just 10 miles north of the DMZ but that only really needs to take place as a retaliatory strike by which I mean: if North Korea manages to get a nuke at any of America's allies, they'll get turned into a radioactive wasteland before they can regret that decision.
They have eight PAC-3 containers AFAIK (those are the ones with 4 missiles per container). And they have Aegis cruisers on the sea and are currently looking into getting some THAADs as well.
You are looking too much into it. Littorio's surrender flag is her character trait by ido. It's been like the forth of fifth time she waves it, she surrenders easier than Roma after all. Same for Iowa/Warspite sudden panic crisis, there could be some historical context but in the end it is the author's personal choice.
EDIT: And looking back at the previous comments I didn't know about Hetalia. That explains everything.
It probably was. If they threaten Japan and the US does nothing then we look weak. We need to hurry up and decimate North Korea. Step 1: Evacuate Seoul Step 2: Glass the north side of the DMZ, at least 10 miles north Step 3: Have Korean troops move in while the US provides air support
Step 3 is very important.
No US or Japanese troops on NK ground. North Korean propaganda conditioned the people that both are the "great evil" who will pillage and kill all of them while they call, South Korea "Indoctrinated Cousins"
It will be a bloodbath if Japanese or US Troops go to NK grounds because the citizens will attack them on sight due to conditioned propaganda...
South Korean Troops hopefully can ease the NK citizens tensions with minimum casualties.
Meanwhile, US Air Suport should target NK artillery and missile silos.
No US or Japanese troops on NK ground. North Korean propaganda conditioned the people that both are the "great evil" who will pillage and kill all of them while they call, South Korea "Indoctrinated Cousins"
It will be a bloodbath if Japanese or US Troops go to NK grounds because the citizens will attack them on sight due to conditioned propaganda...
South Korean Troops hopefully can ease the NK citizens tensions with minimum casualties.
Meanwhile, US Air Suport should target NK artillery and missile silos.
I personally believe that to avoid the situation from spiraling even more out of control it should be Chinese troops occupying North Korea. They have a vested interest in keeping NK loyal to them and a US-sponsored invasion of North Korean territory could be considered an act of war.
Honestly I only see three ways this could end in order of how "good" each ending is:
1. Kim Jong Un backs down from his nuclear tests. 2. China decides that Kim Jong Un has outlived his usefulness and occupies North Korea to get a less crazy regime in power. 3. North Korea manages to detonate a nuclear weapon in territory allied with the US after which it gets largely flattened by a retaliatory strike causing millions of casualties and possibly destroying the central government. Possible follow-up with ending 2.
1. China decides that Kim Jong Un has outlived his usefulness and occupies North Korea to get a less crazy regime in power.
Fixed. China's getting really tired of North Korean antics these days, since it's not helping their commerce and other diplomatic efforts.
I bet most of the Chinese leadership is wishing they'd just annexed North Korea after the first Kim decided to start the Korean War out of greed. It would still be a buffer, but it would be under control. And it's not like China doesn't have a history of occupying northern Korea (dating back to the Han dynasty).
I personally believe that to avoid the situation from spiraling even more out of control it should be Chinese troops occupying North Korea. They have a vested interest in keeping NK loyal to them and a US-sponsored invasion of North Korean territory could be considered an act of war.
Honestly I only see three ways this could end in order of how "good" each ending is:
1. Kim Jong Un backs down from his nuclear tests. 2. China decides that Kim Jong Un has outlived his usefulness and occupies North Korea to get a less crazy regime in power. 3. North Korea manages to detonate a nuclear weapon in territory allied with the US after which it gets largely flattened by a retaliatory strike causing millions of casualties and possibly destroying the central government. Possible follow-up with ending 2.
1 will never happen - Kim Jong Un is absolutely convinced that the reason Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown with US help (winding up impaled on a flagpole, no less) was because Gaddafi gave up his nuclear program. In the mind of the Kim family, nukes = life. They would sooner give up their own left arm than a single nuke.
Meanwhile, sanctions against North Korea are heavily undermined by China's willingness to support them and China provides something like 90% of the support North Korea needs to survive. North Korea still exists because China subsidizes their existence. This means China holds basically all the cards when it comes to North Korea.
China, however, wants to maintain the status quo as much as possible. North Korea being a thorn in the side of Japan and the United States serves China just fine, since China's not too happy about things like the ownership of several islands out in the Pacific or the fact that The Sea of Japan is named The Sea of Japan, as well as generally not having every East Asian nation give it the respect it thinks it deserves. China sees North Korea as a handy little stick to poke Japan and the US in the eye while maintaining plausible deniability.
China also very much does NOT want a collapse of North Korea's government, as it fears millions of North Korean refugees will flood across the border into China, causing all the same problems any flood of millions of refugees from an impoverished nation are guaranteed to bring.
As such, 2 is an absolute last resort in China's eyes, the last ditch response before allowing 3 to happen. (Although if North Korea has nukes, then why would China want to invade North Korea, and get those nukes pointed at China when they're DEFINITELY within nuke range? Better to let South Korea and Japan get nuked than themselves!)
Hence, the only thing that would cause China to do anything is if it feels there's going to be an actual war or the country is going to descend into absolute anarchy or revolution or North Korea was for some reason going to turn around and bite the hand that feeds them.
China also very much does NOT want a collapse of North Korea's government, as it fears millions of North Korean refugees will flood across the border into China, causing all the same problems any flood of millions of refugees from an impoverished nation are guaranteed to bring.
Let's not forget how fucked up South Korea will be if the North regime abruptly and violently falls. Even if by some miracle Seoul doesn't burn to the ground (very unlikely), congratulations! There's now millions of Northern citizens they'd have to integrate to Reunited Korea without any prior preparations whatsoever, all the while rebuilding the country.
Yeah, German Reunification would be a walk in the park compared to that.
NWSiaCB said:
the last ditch response before 3 to happen.
And of course, three's not gonna happen because they're using nukes as deterrent. As in, to deter other countries from attacking them in the first place - "invade me, I nuke you". Using nukes in a First Strike pretty much guarantees an American counterbombing and a follow up ground invasion, which is the opposite of what North Korea wanted.
...since China's not too happy about things like [...] the fact that The Sea of Japan is named The Sea of Japan,
Might want to double-check your sources before citing them. That Wikipedia article mentions only the Koreas complaining about it being called the Sea of Japan.
Chinese government websites exclusively use the name 日本海 (rìběnhǎi, Japan Sea).
Their stockpile of sunshines makes Lil Kim's look like pocket change
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NWSiaCB said:
1 will never happen - Kim Jong Un is absolutely convinced that the reason Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown with US help (winding up impaled on a flagpole, no less) was because Gaddafi gave up his nuclear program.
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