But pineapple pizza is actually good! ...Maybe. (When was the last time I actually had somw of those? 10 years ago?)
By the way, why does the Admiral speaks way more like a queen than the Queen does? Sure, she's not a real queen (her sister is) but she's got crown and throne and all that.
marmite aint bad... tasteless maybe... but tempt me with haggis.... ohh boy... did I mention I somewhat consume ofal? on a somewhat common basis back in the days
So the reason was that Nelson doesn't like 'commoner's food'?
She sounds like an old-fashioned upper-crust military officer from her lines (well, her written lines, at least; Nomizu Iori spoils the effect somewhat by making her sound like an ojou in some parts). Uses 「余」 too (this one is a dignified archaic male first-person 'pronoun', but in modern media this gets tacked on to aristocrats and royals who are meant to sound dignified. FGO Nero and AL Nagato both also use this). This is likely done as a reference to her namesake, the real-life Vice-Admiral Viscount Horatio Nelson, famous for the Battle of Trafalgar (I understand he could be quite the vain gloryhound in public, but certainly not among his men).
ADNL said:
Is there any British original 'noble food' I wonder?
High tea? With scones and lots of clotted cream? Otherwise, yeah... it's mostly French food with a lot of 'avec' to them.
seikenshin said:
My favorite part of this image is poor little Jervis utterly mortified by the entire thing
Made even funnier once you realize Jervis's namesake (John Jervis) was Nelson's boss.
Thanks for clear that old bloody English for me. Also, according to two certain French guys I know from Ancient Roma era, the British's also very fond of 'the mint sauce' with lamb. Could some gentlement or lady here confirm about that 'mint sauce' is on pair with marmite or jelly eel level of the Queen's food as well? Thanks in advance.
Could some gentlement or lady here confirm about that 'mint sauce' is on pair with marmite or jelly eel level of the Queen's food as well? Thanks in advance.
Mint sauce is very common and can be found at any supermarket or grocery store. It's even available here in the US.
Mint sauce is very common and can be found at any supermarket or grocery store. It's even available here in the US.
Thanks but I meant to ask if mint sauce, or at least British version, is a rarely accepted food as Marmite? Or only Asterisk and Obelisk hate it as depicted in their comics?
Thanks but I meant to ask if mint sauce, or at least British version, is a rarely accepted food as Marmite? Or only Asterisk and Obelisk hate it as depicted in their comics?
Mint sauce is traditionally served with lamb in British (and Irish) cuisine Sometimes other gamey meats too. It was the done thing back then — you simply cannot have roast lamb WITHOUT mint sauce. Nowadays this is less common, with other European sauces (usually some kind of herb board dressing) being used in its place.
Some Commonwealth countries also retain this cultural practice from their colonial days. West and South Asian cooking will also often have their own traditional mint sauces (usually with added dairy, so not quite the same as British mint sauce) served with roasted meat.
Some people dislike the sauce though (sometimes because it's associated with peppermint sweets for them). That said, even then, there's nothing that can be found particularly vile about the sauce (unlike say, yeasty bullion tasting Marmite, jelly texture cold jellied eels, or fish-heads-poking-out-of a-pie-stargazy), just well, some people who are not used to mint being used for savory foods might find it odd.
As for Asterisk and Obelisk, it's more of a riff on tasteless underseasoned meat being slathered with mint sauce to cover up the (lack of) taste. You could substitute it with ketchup and the joke would still have most of the same effect. (but mint sauce is stereotypically British to Europeans, so...)
Use to be so you won't notice the potentially spoiling meats, which was why there was such a huge market for spices of all kinds for centuries. But the last century or two has made such things unneeded and tastes have shifted away from some of those methods, but retained some of the more popular flavors regionally.
Use to be so you won't notice the potentially spoiling meats, which was why there was such a huge market for spices of all kinds for centuries. But the last century or two has made such things unneeded and tastes have shifted away from some of those methods, but retained some of the more popular flavors regionally.
A common misconception! Spices were expensive in the middle ages, and people who could afford that could also afford fresh meat - and spices can't even hide spoiled meat, it'd really only make it worse. There were plenty of food animals around, and the meat wasn't going to be left around to go rotten after slaughter, it got sold basically immediately or went on to be preserved through methods like smoking, picking and drying.
While some use of spices were to ameliorate the intense saltiness from preservation methods, most of the use of spice was simply from people's fascination for the novel tastes that they could provide. There's no actual evidence that spices were used to cover up spoiled meat in general. The huge market was simply down to people wanting the flavours they could provide, nothing more, nothing less.
... (but mint sauce is stereotypically British to Europeans, so...)
So Britain somehow become the butt of the joke when it's about food standard of Europe... That makes me wonder why and how, or since when, and should thing turns out like that?
I mean, right? French is high standard heaven for godly food, never heard of a bad or odd weird French dish (escagot, in the other hand, is delicacy, like fugu and so...); Italia is famous Mediterranean unique cuisine worldwide acknowledge; German, though drier and simple but nevertheless has famous beer, cabbage, sausage...; the Russian also has many good treats as well...
Mean while, Britain stuck with marmite, edible but weird pies, disgusting just by looking at jelly, and the infamous worst fish croquette of all time?
Mean while, Britain stuck with marmite, edible but weird pies, disgusting just by looking at jelly, and the infamous worst fish croquette of all time?
It's not really, there's plenty of good British dishes, heck, apple pie comes from Britan! They even have more varieties of cheese than France does! (~700 vs ~450, depending on how you want to classify 'variety')
However, fine dining was always considered the province of the continent, and as such, local foods were looked down as lower class; and the only foods that people took notice of were the weird ones, not the standard foods (which, as with many counties, are pretty basic fare, all considered), but the weird ones. Bangers and Mash can be a fantastically tasty dish when you do more than just boil a sausage and flop it on some dried out mashed potatoes - but that's often what people think of when they envisage it - not of a delightful pork and apple sausage on some butter-garlic mash. Also, as you can see in shows like Great British Bake Off, Britain also has a long and storied history in desserts and baked goods, both savoury and sweet.
Another factor is that since royalty ate French food, there was little impetus to even develop high-class foods based on local tastes and ingredients - why bother when you can just import the latest banquet from over the channel?
Of course, the rationing through the War killed off a lot of the older dishes, since basically a generation never ate/made them - and then that was supplanted with food from the Empire - both Butter Chicken and Tikka Masala are technically British foods (even though made by Indians - you'd have to say that American Chinese food isn't American at all if you want to say that Butter Chicken isn't British.)
The whole meme that British food is bad is just that, a meme. Home chefs in Britain do tend to be unadventurous chefs making pretty stodgy dishes, but that doesn't mean that Britan lacks good food.
Y'know, one of the best things about Britain when I visited for a week during college was the food. The food places along the Thames were delicious, especially the fish and chips, and pretty much everywhere we stopped was good (except the Rainforest Cafe in Soho my and my roommate had to stop at because the group ditched us one morning and we got lost trying to find them). One of the best meals I had while I was there was actually this delicious pork pie I grabbed while roaming around in Canterbury. I had wanted a mint and lamb one, but those were completely sold out, much to my disappointment. The pork pie, however, was piping hot, with a delightfully flaky crust and juicy sweet meat, and still stands out to me almost ten years later. I just don't get while Britain still has that reputation for terrible food. During/Immediately after WWII I can understand, but now? It's a dead horse trope.
People said: really lovely and delicious stuffs...
So stereotype is dead stereotypical, no? Thanks for great replies guys, that open my vision a lot.
This, my last question, anyone can tell me if there's any other European dishes as weird as the British meme dishes as mentioned above? I'd love to know and try them some day
So stereotype is dead stereotypical, no? Thanks for great replies guys, that open my vision a lot.
This, my last question, anyone can tell me if there's any other European dishes as weird as the British meme dishes as mentioned above? I'd love to know and try them some day
Use to be so you won't notice the potentially spoiling meats, which was why there was such a huge market for spices of all kinds for centuries. But the last century or two has made such things unneeded and tastes have shifted away from some of those methods, but retained some of the more popular flavors regionally.
Medieval people eating potentially spoiled meat is a misconception, a urban legend, just like how they supposed never bath and swung swords that weight 80lbs/40kg. They were as mindful of basic food and body hygiene as we are today. The first is common sense, and the church & secular justice WILL punish butchers who sells spoiled meat going as far as death penalty. The second is because about 5 centuries of Roman domination left traces. We have to wait till the Black Death to see worsening body hygiene because the Church made people believe that water enabled diseases to enter the body. Ironically, the time of Renaissance era, powdered wigs and frilly fashion were dirtier than the "backwater" middle ages, yes Jeanne d'Arc have strong chances to be as clean as Umu and cleaner than Marie-Antoinette.
Kasuga Maru - Baked Potato Ark Royal - Bismarck Love Shin'you - Bratkartoffeln (Clockwork Orange) Maestrale - Spaghetti (You killed my friend!) Nelson - British Cooking
That my erstwhile allies were shoving food for commoners down my throat.How do you feel?Purification complete!How this looks....I was having a dream...Warspite, you okay with this?You're awake, Nelson!HaggisThat's dreadful.Ha!
