BF4 Translation: Intrepid gets repeatedly rekt in Ace Combat 7 using the F-4E on higher difficulites?

Got it in one.

Her pride as a carrier and in the Phantom demands nothing but excellence.

The AI in 7 is a lot more scripted than in earlier games, just back off and wait for their pattern to hit a state where they're easy to kill.

That's hell she walked into.

So... Do we tag ace combat 7 since the first speech bubble and the commentary make it clear it's what Intrepid is playing (even though the screen is off-panel)?

Considering Inty's love of Area 88, her being an Ace Combat fan isn't very surprising.

Still waiting for a sale

She couldn't operate F-4 Phantom IIs. Essex-class wasn't up to it. They had A-4 Skyraiders and F-8 Crusaders.

ithekro said:

She couldn't operate F-4 Phantom IIs. Essex-class wasn't up to it. They had A-4 Skyraiders and F-8 Crusaders.

Yeah but I am pretty sure they don't have F-8 Crusaders in game.

The Phantom in AC7 is, in my opinion, one of the few early fighters that can handle everything the main campaign throws at you relatively easily. It has high mark on speed, enabling one to boom and zoom it out of a furball when enemy fighters latch on your tail. Nice weapon selection, including SASM which can reliably damage any flier that pulls bullshit maneuvering, and UGB that is great for land dwellers that clump up.

Meanwhile, the other fighter in its tier, the Balalaika (which I love using, by the way), will have harder time going through the entirety of the campaign with its decent-but-not-impressive anywhere stat and weapon selection. Gotta say, though, the rocket and MG pod are damn fun to use.

EDIT: Also, pouting Intrepid is cute. XD

trees said:

The AI in 7 is a lot more scripted than in earlier games, just back off and wait for their pattern to hit a state where they're easy to kill.

Let's face it, who can shake off the temptation of engaging in a legit dogfight without those training wheels that Assault Horizon forced on us?

ithekro said:

She couldn't operate F-4 Phantom IIs. Essex-class wasn't up to it. They had A-4 Skyraiders and F-8 Crusaders.

No they could, they conducted tests, said suitability tests were actually conducted on Intrepid and were deemed a success. In point of fact the dimensions and size of the F-4 had been driven by requirements it fit on the Essex to begin with. F-4s also occasionally landed and took off of them at various points in Vietnam due to emergencies. The main issue as I recall was that the shorter catapult runs and the length of angled deck portion not being fully up to operating the type (as in, in all load conditions). It wouldn't really have taken much to make them fully capable though, by most accounts a minor extension of the angled deck and a slightly longer catapult run, or possibly just going to three wires and buying the space that way.

However the US navy was in the envious position of being able to simply chose to use the heavier jet on it's growing number of larger carriers, all the more so because improved all weather models of the F-8 became available around the same time, so it didn't have much incentive to invest in such refits for increasingly aged ships. The larger F-4 also would have taken up more space and reduced to the size of the air group due to the ships smaller dimensions. In a theoretical full blown war of the period where every deck would count it's very possible the F-4 might well have been pushed onto the ships and such refits performed, the RN carriers of similar size operated F-4s successfully after rebuilds, but as it was there wasn't much need to try and force them onto the older ships when the smaller options of the F-8 and A-4 remained viable.

argeey94 said:

Let's face it, who can shake off the temptation of engaging in a legit dogfight without those training wheels that Assault Horizon forced on us?

Me, anytime I saw Mihaly dive to low alt to weave through some columns while I just sat at altitude saying "fuck that".

MarqFJA87 said:

So... Do we tag ace combat 7 since the first speech bubble and the commentary make it clear it's what Intrepid is playing (even though the screen is off-panel)?

Not if it's only in dialog. If there was a logo or even the screen showing the characteristic "camera outside the plane" AC view, then it would be another story.

Someone is attempting to play the whole story with the Phantom and is uploading it on youtube.

In ace even.

We found Inty! (Currently up to Mission 3.)

AdventZero said:

We found Inty! (Currently up to Mission 3.)

Someone else has already done it up to Mission 20.

this needs an ace combat tag

So if i make Inty play Strikers 1999 she'll most likely pick the Phantom?

i like it. and Samurai Sword is one of the most awesome bomb attack in SHUMP History.
i think i beat the first loop on sheer luck.

Ah, I'm late seeing this. Intrepid trying her best (well, she just loves those old jets, eh?)

Did my first play through with the F-4E, too. Though on Normal... Mission 18 had me shitting bricks, I will admit.
"Ground targets? UGB it is!" -mission update- "Fuck"

I've done my requisite F-14-only run, works easier than in the games without the high-G turn mechanic.