gud bevare hong kong

In related news, not wanting Hong Kong to fall to an oppressive regime is "propagandistic" [sic] and "hate-mongering."

Oppose Communism, Save the Nation! Liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our times!

I really don't understand，what's wrong with the minds of these revolutionaries（idiots）?

What the fxxk freedom are they pursuing？When HK was under British control in the past，Which governor of HK is democratically elected by HK people？

The artist reminds me of those masked rioters，yes，rioters，those guys wearing masks（some even wore two ）attacked the HK police.When a police who had a bleeding eye made a defensive move, the British newspaper said he had fired.

I come to get some beatiful picters，but this picture makes me in a bad mood.

God bless Hongkong，not those idiots.

And fxxk the "revolution"

Fishing-T said:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/237/981/f64.jpg

Fishing-T said:

They don't want to get fucking disappeared and organ harvested is what. Considering that they've been beaten and even shot, I'd say they're acting in an attempt to prevent worse. Like oh I don't know, the fucking concentration camps in China for Uighur". Or the previously mentioned organ harvesting. Gee, I wonder why they would not want that, sounds great. These days, you could not pay me any sum of money to travel to China. The country is beautiful. The government? Well, see above. I would definitely be open to visiting Taiwan, though.

Ah art, the front line in the battlefield for expression. It's something of a meme for artists to be considered "unimportant" or "poor" when it comes to worldly importance, but at the same time art is an expression to say the things you can't or aren't allowed to say anywhere else.

Garrus said:
[...]These days, you could not pay me any sum of money to travel to China. The country is beautiful. The government? Well, see above. I would definitely be open to visiting Taiwan, though.

You want to say "I would definitely be open to visiting CHINA, though.". There is only the Republic of China, commonly referred to as Taiwan, and Soviet-funded Communist occupied mainland that will be liberated in due time.

Also, if Mei gets made into an anti-PRC icon, they'll dick-kick blizzard. Win-win.

FaceMeltor said:

You want to say "I would definitely be open to visiting CHINA, though.". There is only the Republic of China, commonly referred to as Taiwan, and Soviet-funded Communist occupied mainland that will be liberated in due time.

>Soviet-funded

Woah there Mr. Kissinger, the Sino-Soviet split happened decades ago.

But ask the South Vietnamese and the Kurds how good of an ally the US is.

Issue is, sooner or later there's not going to be a hong kong to free with all that public property destruction happening.

Every big government doesn't last that much if they start to expand more than they can, both territoriality and politically. Only the economical power can sustain that. That is what I fear about China's government.

I stopped my mom to buy a JAC Sei2 (a Chinese auto brand) as her next vehicle and I'm saving to change my Xiaomi cellphone with a Samsung, I believe that's the only way I could help. Bullets can stop people, kill them; but money can control them, and that is more dangerous.

And don't get me wrong: I love Chinese people, I knew a lot of Chinese interchange students when I was in university and the other Chinese people that I know that has business here in my city are so damn hardworking and amiable, but as a journalist, I'm really scared of their government to even thinking about traveling to China.

Saladofstones said:

Don't make this an USA Vs. China discussion. I know the atrocities that the US made in Central America, Chile and Argentina by first hand experience, but tainting the Hong Kong citizen's fight like that, is converting their liberty claims and five demands as a minimal topic.

My point was more that the US is not a good ally to people, especially due to our rather mercurial relationship with the world. With Trump desperate for a deal with China so he can appease his base, along with his rather dim view of Liberal movements in the world, the chances of him tactically allowing Hong Kong to be brought under the heel for a trade deal is pretty likely.

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Bdev50 said:

I'm tempted to put this in the "Harsher in Hindsight" pool, given how Blizzard is bending the knee to China after the Hong Kong pro-player spoke out and got banned.

I think this was drawn in reaction to that, actually. So it would be something like that was quick pool or something, if it were to be categorized.

Bdev50 said:

I'm tempted to put this in the "Harsher in Hindsight" pool, given how Blizzard is bending the knee to China after the Hong Kong pro-player spoke out and got banned.

Basically what Black Gold said: read artist commentary at post #3651846

Saladofstones said:
With Trump desperate for a deal with China so he can appease his base--

You being one of his base, is that what you want from him?

--the chances of him tactically allowing Hong Kong to be brought under the heel for a trade deal is pretty likely.

And that's just the crazy ideas you've materialized in your head to justify a lack of effort and washing your hands in regard to failure. If nothing else, President Trump put pressure on China. Who else did? Actually figure out how to work with the situation, and then go about telling other people what you came up with, so they can tell other people, rather than throwing your hands in the air.

Bdev50 said:

I'm tempted to put this in the "Harsher in Hindsight" pool, given how Blizzard is bending the knee to China after the Hong Kong pro-player spoke out and got banned.

The thing is, that's the whole reason why she's being used a symbol for the revolution. They want to get Overwatch banned in china the same way Winnie the pooh and South park is banned. Because you know, the government over there can't take criticism and it would serve as a "Take that!" to Blizzard for bending their knee.

Bdev50 said:

I'm tempted to put this in the "Harsher in Hindsight" pool, given how Blizzard is bending the knee to China after the Hong Kong pro-player spoke out and got banned.

Not really. This picture was made in response to that; it would have had to been made before that event to qualify.

And if this picture and pictures like this cause Overwatch to banned in Chinese Beijing, it still wouldn't belong in that pool. It would go into "Hilarious in Hindsight," since that's the whole reason people are doing this -- to get Activision's biggest cash cow banned in their biggest or second-biggest market.

They've already stopped selling Mei statuettes, having taken down the product page on their website.

Would not be surprised if after Mei, they successfully turn Lucio into a protest symbol as well.

Garrus said:

Would not be surprised if after Mei, they successfully turn Lucio into a protest symbol as well.

let me guess Lucio for black lives matter?

Nerogrip456 said:

let me guess Lucio for black lives matter?

I was thinking more for the shit going down in Brazil.

FJH said:

You being one of his base, is that what you want from him?

And that's just the crazy ideas you've materialized in your head to justify a lack of effort and washing your hands in regard to failure. If nothing else, President Trump put pressure on China. Who else did? Actually figure out how to work with the situation, and then go about telling other people what you came up with, so they can tell other people, rather than throwing your hands in the air.

i agree with you trump is really good with this world 4d chess game, also america don't necessary need the rest of the world to sustain itself because everyone relied on usa to rebuild their infrastructure ever since the end of the WW2

Saladofstones said:

My point was more that the US is not a good ally to people, especially due to our rather mercurial relationship with the world. With Trump desperate for a deal with China so he can appease his base, along with his rather dim view of Liberal movements in the world, the chances of him tactically allowing Hong Kong to be brought under the heel for a trade deal is pretty likely.

its not that he got a dim view, several times he tried to work with the democrats (the Liberal party of usa) but they just rejects him anyway because they didn't win 2016 and they just plain hates him for it, as for ally i know its not the best but its certainly alot better than nothing, if anything its how the democrats, the deep state, the federal reserve, and rhinos (rouge parts of the Republican party) is just basically pulling all the stops to slow him down. i know him a little better in that i read his book, and he's no fool he always have backup plans if plan a didn't go as planed, so while he is trying to make a deal with china he's not desperate for it because he always plans ahead

MentallyUnstable said:

I was thinking more for the shit going down in Brazil.

hmm im not too well verse in what going on down there, care to elaberate how lucio is being used in barzil?, also why do people booing me often that was a guess, it does not warrant a down vote.

Fishing-T said:

I really don't understand，what's wrong with the minds of these revolutionaries（idiots）?

What the fxxk freedom are they pursuing？When HK was under British control in the past，Which governor of HK is democratically elected by HK people？

The artist reminds me of those masked rioters，yes，rioters，those guys wearing masks（some even wore two ）attacked the HK police.When a police who had a bleeding eye made a defensive move, the British newspaper said he had fired.

I come to get some beatiful picters，but this picture makes me in a bad mood.

God bless Hongkong，not those idiots.

And fxxk the "revolution"

Do not try to persuade anyone who have been fooling by the mass media with the fake news at their home court, it's useless and meaningless. (I know this comment will be hid soon, but I don't care, I have seen much of these kind of shit since 2008)

I kinda feel sorry Mei's voice actor. She's such a sweet person in real life, is friends with the rest of the Overwatch cast and even her twitter feeds are very neutral with the closest thing of being political was wishing China's 70th birthday.

Now her character is being used as a symbol of protest against China's authoritarian rule. That's gotta be awkward for her.

But still, Activision Blizzard brought this upon themselves when they went overboard over banning that Hong Kong Hearthstone player when they could have done so quietly lie a regular ban or just say something they didn't make them look they were kowtowing to the CCP.

MentallyUnstable said:

I was thinking more for the shit going down in Brazil.

Actually was thinking for yet another resistance symbol for HK, but Brazil would work too.

Garrus said:

Would not be surprised if after Mei, they successfully turn Lucio into a protest symbol as well.

He seems to be one in-game already; would only make sense out of the game as well.

fsnfanboy said:

But still, Activision Blizzard brought this upon themselves when they went overboard over banning that Hong Kong Hearthstone player when they could have done so quietly lie a regular ban or just say something they didn't make them look they were kowtowing to the CCP.

And now, "coincidentally", there's a "bug" preventing users from deleting their accounts in protest.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49999144

fsnfanboy said:

I kinda feel sorry Mei's voice actor. She's such a sweet person in real life, is friends with the rest of the Overwatch cast and even her twitter feeds are very neutral with the closest thing of being political was wishing China's 70th birthday.

Now her character is being used as a symbol of protest against China's authoritarian rule. That's gotta be awkward for her.

But still, Activision Blizzard brought this upon themselves when they went overboard over banning that Hong Kong Hearthstone player when they could have done so quietly lie a regular ban or just say something they didn't make them look they were kowtowing to the CCP.

Same deal with the NBA playing damage control. China is a major investor and companies only care about the bottom line on a short-term basis.

中国政府很差吗？到底是谁被骗了····？

fsnfanboy said:

I kinda feel sorry Mei's voice actor. She's such a sweet person in real life, is friends with the rest of the Overwatch cast and even her twitter feeds are very neutral with the closest thing of being political was wishing China's 70th birthday.

Now her character is being used as a symbol of protest against China's authoritarian rule. That's gotta be awkward for her.

But still, Activision Blizzard brought this upon themselves when they went overboard over banning that Hong Kong Hearthstone player when they could have done so quietly lie a regular ban or just say something they didn't make them look they were kowtowing to the CCP.

It's not even about kowtowing to the CCP or caring about short-term profits. How do you think your own democratically elected government will respond if there was an uprising similar to HK's in a US state, and then some joker comes in and uses a gaming competition as a vehicle for a political statement by declaring his support for that state's rebellion and independence from the US?

You can bet the White House's response will be just as swift and furious as that of the CCP's. A government who does not issue an immediate response to such a provocation by a private citizen for external interference in their own country has zero credibility, period.

Saladofstones said:

Same deal with the NBA playing damage control. China is a major investor and companies only care about the bottom line on a short-term basis.

.musouka said:

The thing is, that's the whole reason why she's being used a symbol for the revolution. They want to get Overwatch banned in china the same way Winnie the poo and South park is banned. Because you know, the government over there can't take criticism and it would serve as a "Take that!" to Blizzard for bending their knee.

Companies are business entities and are expected to stay apolitical, or neutral. If a company wishes to exercise its right to make a political statement under the freedom of speech, it better be ready for the other party to exercise its right to respond, which is also guaranteed under that very same freedom of speech you hold so dear.

Saladofstones said:

With Trump desperate for a deal with China so he can appease his base, along with his rather dim view of Liberal movements in the world, the chances of him tactically allowing Hong Kong to be brought under the heel for a trade deal is pretty likely.

Liberty as a yardstick for measuring quality of life? Seriously?

Ever stop to think what kind of governments were responsible for bringing up much of Asia's countries into strong, extremely stable and relatively affluent nations? Definitely not friendly and consultative governments, but authoritarian ones. Here are some excellent examples:

Singapore. The second smallest country in the world and also the richest and most powerful country in South East Asia. Ruled for decades by Lee Kuan Yew, who is widely cited as a textbook example of a benevolent dictator. His policies deeply infringed and intervened in the citizens' private lives, and the result is that Singapore is now reaping the rewards of those policies. Commentators even go as far as to call Singapore a benign police state.

Malaysia. Ruled for decades by Mahathir, who stripped the country's sultans of their power, introduced a number of top-down policies and continuously attempts to reduce the special privileges to the native Malays so as to realize his vision of turning Malaysia into a developed country while still keeping the country known for its racism together. Malaysia was the first country to recover from the 1998 crisis in no small part to his efforts.

Even better, let's look at the PRC. It's definitely a fair assessment to say that many mainlanders fear or dislike the CCP, but at the same time there is also a great deal of grudging respect for the same CCP which, starting from Deng Xiaoping, opened China up to the world and enforced their visions on the populace. The CCP claim that there has been no other governance method that has been proven to have successfully lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in such a short period of time. And there's definitely some degree of truth involved in that boast.

And if you are so inclined to dismiss mainland China, look at Macau. Ceded to the Portuguese and returned to China under the One Country Two Systems arrangement, the Chinese inherited a region that was plagued by triad wars for control of its gambling industry. China stormed in, cleaned up Macau and restored both its social and economic stability.

Singapore, Malaysia and Macau are now extremely stable, the people have jobs to look forward to, and opportunities to climb up the socio-economic ladder without much of that 'liberty' you speak of. And these people will never trade their stability for the so-called ideals of 'liberty'.

Etnaz said:

Liberty as a yardstick for measuring quality of life? Seriously?

...Singapore, Malaysia and Macau are now extremely stable, the people have jobs to look forward to, and opportunities to climb up the socio-economic ladder without much of that 'liberty' you speak of. And these people will never trade their stability for the so-called ideals of 'liberty'.

I don't see why Liberty is a bad marker for determining quality of life. I say this as both my maternal grandmother and grandfather were under Nazi occupation during world war 2. Here people were rounded up and shot due to who they were or their political association. My grandmother was conscripted as forced labor in a camp, and my grandfather had to scavenge food just to survive. This was when your factory could be raided at any time for no reason, and people rounded up and deported/executed just to send a message, regardless of their actual guilt.

You are also assuming that all people in a society are treated equal. One can look at Tsarist Russia to see how certain groups were marginalized to the point of radicalization. When the state can determine any group is now punishable for simply existing or expressing discontent with their lot, the idea of 'stability' when these groups are eradicated is not exactly a positive.

If you so lack the empathy to see why who have suffered injustice want the right to speak out, that is your position to take.

Saladofstones said:

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Dude, don't feed the trolls. They'll end up fat and dependant on other people, and never learn how to gather food on their own.

colBoh said:

Dude, don't feed the trolls. They'll end up fat and dependant on other people, and never learn how to gather food on their own.

Theres trolls and there's people who have unpopular opinions.

Etnaz said stuff with examples

While your examples carry considerable weight in logic, there's one "tiny" detail that outweight your argument: you see, that "benevolent dictatorship" applied to "fully own" sovereign state. China trying to pull that on autonomous state that is doesn't quite "own". I've though about my own examples from other side of globe, but they're while similar, don't have much in common.
HK was and still is mostly autonomous from mainland China with own government and people there liked it that way (even build it as rich as mentioned examples without help from mainland government), but suddenly your highest government people decided to get some profits from much more rich "neighbour" at expense your people's liberties/rights (without asking people first). Your call?
I know well the taste when your government sell you out for short-term "profits" or "well being". Knowing aftertaste of this is enough reason to hate it.

DeadW@nderer said:

While your examples carry considerable weight in logic, there's one "tiny" detail that outweight your argument: you see, that "benevolent dictatorship" applied to "fully own" sovereign state. China trying to pull that on autonomous state that is doesn't quite "own". I've though about my own examples from other side of globe, but they're while similar, don't have much in common.
HK was and still is mostly autonomous from mainland China with own government and people there liked it that way (even build it as rich as mentioned examples without help from mainland government), but suddenly your highest government people decided to get some profits from much more rich "neighbour" at expense your people's liberties/rights (without asking people first). Your call?
I know well the taste when your government sell you out for short-term "profits" or "well being". Knowing aftertaste of this is enough reason to hate it.

Not to mention that even if legit "benevolent dictatorship" existed, it's inherently unsustainable. Even if a dictator is completely well-intentioned, uses his power only make life better for the people he rules and is such a saint that he never gets corrupted by holding absolute power (all dubious propositions to begin with)...he's not going to live forever. So what happens when the new dictator isn't benevolent? It's no different from how the existence of some legitimately great monarchs in history doesn't mean that absolute monarchy was a good system of government. Unchecked power will always be abused eventually, if not by the person holding power now then by somebody else later.

Magus said:

Not to mention that even if legit "benevolent dictatorship" existed, it's inherently unsustainable. Even if a dictator is completely well-intentioned, uses his power only make life better for the people he rules and is such a saint that he never gets corrupted by holding absolute power (all dubious propositions to begin with)...he's not going to live forever. So what happens when the new dictator isn't benevolent? It's no different from how the existence of some legitimately great monarchs in history doesn't mean that absolute monarchy was a good system of government. Unchecked power will always be abused eventually, if not by the person holding power now then by somebody else later.

And there are people (read: "population in general") who let it happen (letting dictator to seize power and left him with huge power over them unchecked) in the first place. The most blatant example - North Korea. Despite atrocities and (lack of) well-being there local people are "still love their God-Emperor". Because they are not aware of alternatives.
HK people do not want it happen to them and remind the local government that they still are force to be reckoned with and ready figth for their ways to live.
Here I'd also talk about propaganda, but I think that'll derail topics.

p.s.: Government systems never been inherently bad - they are tools. For different tasks you need different kind of tools. If performing certain task is keeping to fail - you either change tool or the one who handle said tool.

I wish Taiwan the best, because of big bully China, and the clowns who run the CCP

536539852 said:

中国政府很差吗？到底是谁被骗了····？

Yes they did bad things

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FaceMeltor said:

Oppose Communism, Save the Nation! Liberate Hong Kong, the revolution of our times!

wasn't Sun Yat-sen a communist?

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