Didn't read the tags and for a while I thought this was an Azur Lane design. Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept and like any othe Zeco design, is going to grow into the fandom; but the hair is weird for me.
That's a whole lot of 5-inch guns. I think this is the only ship whose rigging includes their entire secondary armament.
It’s also less than her sister ships, which is probably why they were included. South Dakota sacrificed a pair of dual 5 inch turrets in order to have accommodations for a fleet admiral and his full staff. She was meant to be used as a flag ship. The South Dakota Class by the end of the war was averaging 46,000+ tons in combat loads. They were designed for 42,500 combat loads, but the additional AA armament they stacked on them made them a bit chonk. They’re also the smallest of the US fast battleships by length.
Honestly I prefer AL’s South Dakota designs over this.
OOZ662 said:
When you've been waterskiing for so long under the weight of so much gear that your back is broken and your shins curve forward.
Seeing the long-term consequences of the boatgirl world coming to the surface.
If it’s to reflect the weight they put on over the course of the war, it’s better to just make them thicker. This art is just not very good.
cd_young said:
I honestly don't see the Lolita you two are, I guess I noticed the breasts.
The Sodaks were small for their tonnage and capabilities compared to other battleships. Think less Loli and more Shortstack for how the design should be done.
Didn't read the tags and for a while I thought this was an Azur Lane design. Don't get me wrong, I really like the concept and like any othe Zeco design, is going to grow into the fandom; but the hair is weird for me.
While modern AL designs have improved (comparisons with early AL would not be off), but the fact is many recent KC things have seemed more Azur Lane than actual Azur Lane designs.
What's the difference from the North Carolina class?
The big one you’d notice immediately is the size. The South Dakota’s are smaller (680 feet long vs 728 feet long on the North Carolina’s). This was for a couple of reasons, mainly the armor scheme of the South Dakota class being actually able to take a 16 inch shell hit while needing to keep around the same tonnage due to the Washington Naval treaty. Iowa would copy the armor scheme the South Dakota’s used. This actually helped the South Dakota’s out a bit - as shorter ships, they had a better turning circle and didn’t experience the vibration issues at high speeds the North Carolina’s did. Her hull shape was also different to the North Carolina - a very pointy nose with a rounded rear that was rather wide. This teardrop shape was also copied by the Iowa’s.
Another difference was in how the engines were mounted - unlike the North Carolina’s and Iowa’s, the South Dakota’s had their outward engines on skegs rather than the inward ones. As well as this, the South Dakota’s underwater protection was superior to the North Carolina’s, as this armor scheme saved enough weight for a double bottomed hull.
Gun wise, the two were practically identical, though as mentioned before South Dakota herself had two less five inch dual turrets to allow for her use as a flagship.
Other than what I’ve already mentioned about size and shape, the other big visual difference is the South Dakota class has a single funnel, rather than the double the North Carolina’s have.
Interestingly, by waterline length, the South Dakota’s were exactly 666 feet long.
The big one you’d notice immediately is the size. The South Dakota’s are smaller (680 feet long vs 728 feet long on the North Carolina’s). This was for a couple of reasons, mainly the armor scheme of the South Dakota class being actually able to take a 16 inch shell hit while needing to keep around the same tonnage due to the Washington Naval treaty. Iowa would copy the armor scheme the South Dakota’s used. This actually helped the South Dakota’s out a bit - as shorter ships, they had a better turning circle and didn’t experience the vibration issues at high speeds the North Carolina’s did. Her hull shape was also different to the North Carolina - a very pointy nose with a rounded rear that was rather wide. This teardrop shape was also copied by the Iowa’s.
Another difference was in how the engines were mounted - unlike the North Carolina’s and Iowa’s, the South Dakota’s had their outward engines on skegs rather than the inward ones. As well as this, the South Dakota’s underwater protection was superior to the North Carolina’s, as this armor scheme saved enough weight for a double bottomed hull.
Gun wise, the two were practically identical, though as mentioned before South Dakota herself had two less five inch dual turrets to allow for her use as a flagship.
Other than what I’ve already mentioned about size and shape, the other big visual difference is the South Dakota class has a single funnel, rather than the double the North Carolina’s have.
Interestingly, by waterline length, the South Dakota’s were exactly 666 feet long.
She sounds like a better design than the NC. What's the catch? Speed? Range?
She looks far more ‘Merica than star-shaped pupils Iowa; might as well just give her a bald eagle at this point. I don’t think I can make jokes about Commandant Teste being toothpaste anymore with hair like that.
Her figure looks more like a busty destroyer than that of a typical Boobs of Steel battleship though. Houston looks more like a battleship than her.
She sounds like a better design than the NC. What's the catch? Speed? Range?
Roughly identical. Better cruising speed than the North Carolina’s due to engine power differences, slightly lower practical top speed after all that weight got added as the US slapped as much AA as possible onto the ships. Most people call the South Dakota’s the best Treaty Battleships built and they aren’t too wrong. They could keep pace with the CV’s and were excellent fly swatters, putting out obscene AA coverage. Only real problem with them was the overall top speed but that’s mostly compared to the Iowa’s blistering fast 33knots... which it took 10k tons more of displacement to get. The only real problem with the South Dakota’s was being treaty battleships. And even then they were easily superior to the French and British designs, though the Roma class arguably would have been a match. Nelson class could go either way (because the Nelsons cheated the treaty to get their extra underwater protection and armor)
Steak said:
They drew straws as to who'd be the flagship. She lost.
One of the long standing rumors about the South Dakota is she was supposed to be selected as the flag ship for the Surrender of Japan to be signed on. She was docked next to Nagato, had the space for it and was carrying Halsey. MacArthur apparently changed the plans at the last minute and to try and score points with Truman picked the Missouri. Of the battleships present at the surrender, it was arguably South Dakota, Maryland, or West Virginia who had the best claims to the right to be the ship the surrender was signed on. South Dakota had the longest and most varied service record in the war of the battleships present, with trips in both oceans, and several major battles survived. Maryland and WV were both Battleship Row survivors who were part of the last actions of the war.
zeco's entire lineup has been more azur lane styled than kancolle, I wish he had been hired by AL instead. samuel b. roberts may be a slight exception but debatable.
All the rest have skintight clothing, no subtlety that you'd see on most other artists, the riggings feel off for some reason (overdone/oversized?), and the body portions/poses look awkward in many places.
The french hair was more subtle (toothpaste jokes), here it is very blatant. That bent pose doesn't look very comfortable. The bent pose, the petite chest, the relatively larger head and the slightly too long legs also gives off a loli impression. Though she might be taller/more BB-like-age in a standard straight-up pose. her feet appear either be two layers of feet or there's a lot of empty space there, the gray part attached to her stockings curves much earlier than it should. Her jacket also appears to be too small to actually zip over her boobs comfortably.
Even Yoshinori's art has some air of respectability that zeco lacks. And Yoshinori IS THE sexy side of kancolle as opposed to plain.
But hey, it's not like kancolle's art is always respectable, there are ~20%-40% ships that are just "mindless fanservice"/"wasted potential"/"pushing 1 poorly chosen marketing trait">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"historical references". So whatever.
zeco's entire lineup has been more azur lane styled than kancolle, I wish he had been hired by AL instead. samuel b. roberts may be a slight exception but debatable.
All the rest have skintight clothing, no subtlety that you'd see on most other artists, the riggings feel off for some reason (overdone/oversized?), and the body portions/poses look awkward in many places.
The french hair was more subtle (toothpaste jokes), here it is very blatant. That bent pose doesn't look very comfortable. The bent pose, the petite chest, the relatively larger head and the slightly too long legs also gives off a loli impression. Though she might be taller/more BB-like-age in a standard straight-up pose. her feet appear either be two layers of feet or there's a lot of empty space there, the gray part attached to her stockings curves much earlier than it should. Her jacket also appears to be too small to actually zip over her boobs comfortably.
Even Yoshinori's art has some air of respectability that zeco lacks.
But hey, it's not like kancolle's art is always respectable, there are ~20%-40% ships that are just mindless fanservice>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>historical references. So whatever.
At least some of the fanservice is historical though, like Shima's string panties being a Zulu flag.
She sounds like a better design than the NC. What's the catch? Speed? Range?
North Carolina was designed to conform with the Washington and London Treaties before the escalator clause was invoked when Japan left the treaty. Therefore North Carolina was defended against the guns she was going to have. !4" guns. In three quad turrets. (12 guns). There is a new premium Tier VII battleships coming to World of Warships which will give people this configuration, under the name of USS Florida.
Now for her to reference the various silly oopsies she had like striking coral or the fact that she took a sheer beating from Kirishima that didn't even score citadel hits
At least some of the fanservice is historical though, like Shima's string panties being a Zulu flag.
I'm not actually referring to Yoshinori ships when I mention "poorly designed ships", I actually have a healthy amount of respect for him as he can still throw in subtlety or historical references on top of his crazy/sexy art. There are some who say that's because of other staff's moderating influence on him rather than his credit alone, but that's unconfirmed rumors AFAIK. In any case what Yoshinori art gets released is still good, unlike some kc artists.
blindVigil said:
Is everyone just looking at a different image than I am???
Uhh, I meant her actual entire chest area, not her boobs specifcally, probably should have used "waist".
Zeco tends to draw characters with short, round faces and large eyes. It can make them look younger, even if they're not supposed to. Fletcher looks kind of young, even though her voice lines- both the way they're written and the register her actress uses- indicate she's supposed to be an adult.
Still, it's a stretch to say that Dakota looks like a child.
Roughly identical. Better cruising speed than the North Carolina’s due to engine power differences, slightly lower practical top speed after all that weight got added as the US slapped as much AA as possible onto the ships.
NC actually suffered from engine issue in her early career. The engine at high power would cause the ship to vibrate, therefore, her top speed cannot be achieved in practice. Later on, the navy more or less fixed the problem but it's still not optimal. Of course in SoDak's design, they learned from this and never had the same engine issue to begin with.
Steak said: She sounds like a better design than the NC. What's the catch? Speed? Range?
Another difference is armor. SoDak is designed to have 16 in. weapon so her armor is designed to withstand her own firepower. NC's armor on the other hand is designed to withstand 14 in. gun since she's designed with quad triple 14 in. guns in mind only changing to 16 in. at last second.
Last thing, SoDak is supposed to have batter anti-sub design but they screwed up so instead NC's anti-sub design is better.
When I first heard her name, I first thought she would the Mad Scientist type girl of some sorts like Akashi and Yuubari.
Yeah, from the many snippets done of her on SpaceBattles, not to mention Greatest Generation.
Personally, I vote for the Azur Lane version of Dakota over this. This is cute and all that, but it doesn't really evoke the image of BB-57 to me. Maybe use this for one of the Montana-class BBAs instead, but not Dakota.
I think the idea might be "half-way between Colorado and Iowa, while also being a flagship." Colorado is something of a short-stack with a big bottom, evoking the ship's relatively small length and disproportionate beam. Iowa meanwhile is long-bodied, and thoroughly stream-lined while remaining exceedingly curvy.
Iowa is the very incarnation of a *perfected* American battleship. As such, all other BB-designs have to be leading up to her in some way shape or form. None of them are allowed to be taller or more confident than her.
I honestly don't see the Lolita you two are, I guess I noticed the breasts.
It's just her facial anatomy (eyes-nose-mouth) and how they scale with her body. The torso width too, but that's kinda hard to see from this angle.
To add, I find the flag pole unnecessary as it creates impression that it's eating the canvas area and thus, forcing the entire image to be scaled down to fit.
Other battleships do have huge rigging, but at least they're usually compactly laid out enough not to overwhelm the person.
While modern AL designs have improved (comparisons with early AL would not be off), but the fact is many recent KC things have seemed more Azur Lane than actual Azur Lane designs.
Really? Outside of maybe a few specific character and artist, I don't see much of that. To me, most, not all, of the AL designs usually screams of trying too hard but that's usually for their more bigger ships anyway. I don't hate them persay, but alot of times whenever I see a new ship from them it always look like a vomit of fanservice with no specific directions.
KC's designs are still pretty tame in comparison. I think it's just Zeco, but he's been getting criticism about looking too much like AL now for a while. Don't think its that bad and yeah, every time I see something from him I think that he's making AL artwork but...well, it's not that bad. I think the problem is always that he's trying too hard.
It's just her facial anatomy (eyes-nose-mouth) and how they scale with her body. The torso width too, but that's kinda hard to see from this angle.
To add, I find the flag pole unnecessary as it creates impression that it's eating the canvas area and thus, forcing the entire image to be scaled down to fit.
Other battleships do have huge rigging, but at least they're usually compactly laid out enough not to overwhelm the person.
I think your being a tad to overtly critical. she look perfectly fine, She just has a more early nineties/late eighties anime face.
zeco's entire lineup has been more azur lane styled than kancolle, I wish he had been hired by AL instead. samuel b. roberts may be a slight exception but debatable.
All the rest have skintight clothing, no subtlety that you'd see on most other artists, the riggings feel off for some reason (overdone/oversized?), and the body portions/poses look awkward in many places.
The french hair was more subtle (toothpaste jokes), here it is very blatant. That bent pose doesn't look very comfortable. The bent pose, the petite chest, the relatively larger head and the slightly too long legs also gives off a loli impression. Though she might be taller/more BB-like-age in a standard straight-up pose. her feet appear either be two layers of feet or there's a lot of empty space there, the gray part attached to her stockings curves much earlier than it should. Her jacket also appears to be too small to actually zip over her boobs comfortably.
Even Yoshinori's art has some air of respectability that zeco lacks. And Yoshinori IS THE sexy side of kancolle as opposed to plain.
But hey, it's not like kancolle's art is always respectable, there are ~20%-40% ships that are just "mindless fanservice"/"wasted potential"/"pushing 1 poorly chosen marketing trait">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"historical references". So whatever.
Oh yeah, cause Ayaki artwork doesn't have Tatsuta having a halo and spear, or the fact Nenohi and hatsuharu don't have robotic arms on their riggings, he says sarcastically.
Their have been weird design kancolle long before azur lane came to be.
Oh yeah, cause Ayaki artwork doesn't have Tatsuta having a halo and spear, or the fact Nenohi and hatsuharu don't have robotic arms on their riggings, he says sarcastically.
Their have been weird design kancolle long before azur lane came to be.
I'm amazed at your bad reading comprehension. At no point did I mention weirdness in my post. Bad anatomy, cheap low effort cashgrab fanservice do not equal weird. weird design has no correlation to those things.
South Dakota? I don't know. I find that looks pretty cool actually. The hair especially I dig. It's kinda weird, but I'm a sucker for blue hair so that doesn't bother me.
Oh yeah, cause Ayaki artwork doesn't have Tatsuta having a halo and spear, or the fact Nenohi and hatsuharu don't have robotic arms on their riggings, he says sarcastically.
Their have been weird design kancolle long before azur lane came to be.
They are in the clear minority, though. Kumo Outsider meme wouldn't exist if people didn't see her for how aesthetic-breaking she was.
I'm amazed at your bad reading comprehension. At no point did I mention weirdness in my post. Bad anatomy, cheap low effort cashgrab fanservice do not equal weird. weird design has no correlation to those things.
The 20-40% was put in because kancolle does have a significant amount of low effort design.
1) it was heavily implied with azur lane comment (Azur lane has some weirdass designs) 2) Zeco does his research (Her height for example. Like Colorado, South Dakota's one of the shorter battleships at 680 feet long (210 meters) note the preceding North Carolina-class battleships averaged at 728 feet long (222.113 meters)
Roughly identical. Better cruising speed than the North Carolina’s due to engine power differences, slightly lower practical top speed after all that weight got added as the US slapped as much AA as possible onto the ships. Most people call the South Dakota’s the best Treaty Battleships built and they aren’t too wrong. They could keep pace with the CV’s and were excellent fly swatters, putting out obscene AA coverage. Only real problem with them was the overall top speed but that’s mostly compared to the Iowa’s blistering fast 33knots... which it took 10k tons more of displacement to get. The only real problem with the South Dakota’s was being treaty battleships. And even then they were easily superior to the French and British designs, though the Roma class arguably would have been a match. Nelson class could go either way (because the Nelsons cheated the treaty to get their extra underwater protection and armor)
I'd agree they were clearly a better design then KGV (their armament was simply too weak for the period of their design and frankly poor machinery design meant they were no faster either), but I would disagree about the Richelieus. They were excellent ships. It was really a classic case of the two navies focusing on different sides of the triangle, protection between the two ships was quite similiar with quibbles to made one way or the other but, overall fairly equivalent.
The difference was that the USN chose guns and the French choose speed as their second choices. Richelieu was good for an honest 32 knots, Sodak had one more gun and an extra inch of caliber. If I'm going to sit somewhere and meet the enemy Sodak is probably the better bet, if I need to maneuver over a wide area to try and bring the foe to battle Richelieu is clearly the better choice. Iowa of course is the best of both, but needed about 10,000 more tons then either to get that.
Pyeknu said:
Yeah, from the many snippets done of her on SpaceBattles, not to mention Greatest Generation.
That crap never made sense, but then neither did the demure crap in AL either. South Dakota should be the very definition of a blow hard braggart that the universe loves to screw with. Her career is like a laundry list of grandstanding interspersed with terrible luck or oafish incompetence preventing her from ever living up to her own hype.
That said I don't really like either design overly much. The AL one is an utterly ridiculous stripper outfit whose only distinguishing trait is being brown, this one is the very definition of 'trying too hard'. Though I suppose if it was commented upon as such and she choose it herself it could actually work. So my head canon is that, that is a dye job that everyone around her considers to absolutely ridiculous but that she stubbornly insists is cool.